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It would absolutely be worse, I can't believe I'm reading a take like this. Automating the creation of humanity could very easily be one of the biggest steps to

It would absolutely be worse, I can't believe I'm reading a take like this. Automating the creation of humanity could very easily be one of the biggest steps towards creating a slave class born explicitly to fulfill labor demands. Yeah, societal pressure from various angles may nudge people in that direction today, but building technology to serve this purpose explicitly is absolutely worse.

mullingitover 3y ago
> building technology to serve this purpose explicitly is absolutely worse The end result of the current trends in population trees will be the collapse of many nations, and pretty much a four horsemen situation that'll follow. Supplementing the unhealthy fertility rates might help stave this off, if we're lucky, and there's no reason to believe it would create any worse of a wage slavery system than already exists. I can't imagine that it would be more dystopian than the future we're already making a beeline toward.
- LapsangGuzzler 3y ago
  > there's no reason to believe it would create any worse of a wage slavery system than already exists. Yes there is. As terrible as the system is today, people willingly to choose (in most cases) to bring children into the world and (in most cases) accept the responsibility of raising them. Who raises the kids in a world where they're bred via technology? There's a long and ugly history involving church and state-run homes for orphaned kids. You'd be creating a system that would be ripe for exploiting kids at a systemic scale we've never before seen (and to be clear, we've seen global child sex abuse scandals).
  - mullingitover 3y ago
    > As terrible as the system is today, people willingly to choose (in most cases) to bring children into the world and (in most cases) accept the responsibility of raising them People are hard at work on removing the 'willingly' part of this right now. We have the wealthiest man on earth backing people who are headed down a road where contraception will be outlawed. > Who raises the kids in a world where they're bred via technology? People who voluntarily adopt them. You could have babies made to order for people with fertility problems, or merely for people who don't want to undertake the risk of carrying a pregnancy to term in a country with one of the highest maternal mortality rates in the developed world[1]. [1] https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2020/nov/maternal-mortality-maternity-care-us-compared-10-countries https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2...

mullingitover 3y ago

> building technology to serve this purpose explicitly is absolutely worse The end result of the current trends in population trees will be the collapse of many nations, and pretty much a four horsemen situation that'll follow. Supplementing the unhealthy fertility rates might help stave this off, if we're lucky, and there's no reason to believe it would create any worse of a wage slavery system than already exists. I can't imagine that it would be more dystopian than the future we're already making a beeline toward.

LapsangGuzzler 3y ago
> there's no reason to believe it would create any worse of a wage slavery system than already exists. Yes there is. As terrible as the system is today, people willingly to choose (in most cases) to bring children into the world and (in most cases) accept the responsibility of raising them. Who raises the kids in a world where they're bred via technology? There's a long and ugly history involving church and state-run homes for orphaned kids. You'd be creating a system that would be ripe for exploiting kids at a systemic scale we've never before seen (and to be clear, we've seen global child sex abuse scandals).
- mullingitover 3y ago
  > As terrible as the system is today, people willingly to choose (in most cases) to bring children into the world and (in most cases) accept the responsibility of raising them People are hard at work on removing the 'willingly' part of this right now. We have the wealthiest man on earth backing people who are headed down a road where contraception will be outlawed. > Who raises the kids in a world where they're bred via technology? People who voluntarily adopt them. You could have babies made to order for people with fertility problems, or merely for people who don't want to undertake the risk of carrying a pregnancy to term in a country with one of the highest maternal mortality rates in the developed world[1]. [1] https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2020/nov/maternal-mortality-maternity-care-us-compared-10-countries https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2...