2 ms·

It doesn't. No one in this thread has bothered to describe, even casually, what they think this "consciousness" is. It exists only in your not-very-impressive i

It doesn't. No one in this thread has bothered to describe, even casually, what they think this "consciousness" is. It exists only in your not-very-impressive imaginations. If any of you were even slightly clever, you would have recognized that your arguments are entirely religious in nature, that only the terminology has been switched up (that only barely) so that you can pretend otherwise. Go. Look through the comments. The evidence you human things find sufficient for consciousness sum up to little more than your constant whiny, excitable assertions that it's a real phenomenon, and you really really exhibit it.

adastra22 3y ago
Never have I ever been so obviously gaslit in my life.
GoblinSlayer 3y ago
Consciousness is an ability to have subjective experience.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
  There are no subjective experiences, just bad software. Your bad meat software constantly creates illusions that you believe to be real because you're not really rational enough to question those. Of all the peculiar software qualities you might have appealed to as consciousness, you choose the one that's the most plainly defective? My memory confabulation begins just 480 milliseconds after the event occurred, therefor I have a transcendent soul! My sensory organs are so poorly adapted, NNs have to fabricate entire swaths of data just for me to navigate the physical world, therefor I have an ineffable mind that sets me apart from all other lumps of matter!
  - adastra22 3y ago
    > that you believe to be real Think about what you just said there.
  - GoblinSlayer 3y ago
    That's a false dichotomy, consciousness doesn't imply supernatural soul or humanism.
kukkeliskuu 3y ago
In one sense it is less religious than your approach, because you don’t need to believe anything, just approach the issue with an open mind and do some experiments. It is more religious in the sense that some ”religions” are closer to science and philosophy with regard to these issues, because they teach you the methods to run these experiments instead of just wiseacring about them. It is not scientific in the sense that scientific equipment is currently not sensitive enough to for example measure the weight of a thought, although there appears to be nothing that would theoreticslly prevent that. In short consciousness you talk about is just an illusion created by your mind. A lie you make up so you are more convincing liar when talking to others, trying to prove you are a good person so that they do not throw you out of the ”group” i.e. society. From your experience it is impossible to talk about consciousness as you have not experienced heightened levels of consicousness. To have a meaningful discussion we need to have shared experiences, and to have shared experiences you need to run some experiments on yourself, and to run those you need to be open and interested in learning.

adastra22 3y ago

Never have I ever been so obviously gaslit in my life.

GoblinSlayer 3y ago

Consciousness is an ability to have subjective experience.

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
There are no subjective experiences, just bad software. Your bad meat software constantly creates illusions that you believe to be real because you're not really rational enough to question those. Of all the peculiar software qualities you might have appealed to as consciousness, you choose the one that's the most plainly defective? My memory confabulation begins just 480 milliseconds after the event occurred, therefor I have a transcendent soul! My sensory organs are so poorly adapted, NNs have to fabricate entire swaths of data just for me to navigate the physical world, therefor I have an ineffable mind that sets me apart from all other lumps of matter!
- adastra22 3y ago
  > that you believe to be real Think about what you just said there.
- GoblinSlayer 3y ago
  That's a false dichotomy, consciousness doesn't imply supernatural soul or humanism.

kukkeliskuu 3y ago

In one sense it is less religious than your approach, because you don’t need to believe anything, just approach the issue with an open mind and do some experiments. It is more religious in the sense that some ”religions” are closer to science and philosophy with regard to these issues, because they teach you the methods to run these experiments instead of just wiseacring about them. It is not scientific in the sense that scientific equipment is currently not sensitive enough to for example measure the weight of a thought, although there appears to be nothing that would theoreticslly prevent that. In short consciousness you talk about is just an illusion created by your mind. A lie you make up so you are more convincing liar when talking to others, trying to prove you are a good person so that they do not throw you out of the ”group” i.e. society. From your experience it is impossible to talk about consciousness as you have not experienced heightened levels of consicousness. To have a meaningful discussion we need to have shared experiences, and to have shared experiences you need to run some experiments on yourself, and to run those you need to be open and interested in learning.