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FUD stands for Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. But the comment you're replying to is a factual article that lists what entities have restricted use of Kaspersky s

by dwater 3y ago

FUD stands for Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. But the comment you're replying to is a factual article that lists what entities have restricted use of Kaspersky software and under what circumstances. You may think that the arguments against Kaspersky are FUD, but this post is not.

neximo64 3y ago
Its an open source python script that doesn't really fit that description
- George83728 3y ago
  Do you think you would enjoy the process of trying to convince a court that their laws don't apply to python scripts? (they do, btw)
  - neximo64 3y ago
    The fact you need to ask whether an open source python script needs a court to prove its a product and the lack of certainty is how FUD works. - What if you fork it, edit it, re-publish it as yours? - And what if other anti virus vendors do this?
    - George83728 3y ago
      The fact that you think you can just handwave away legal obligations like this with common sense is certainly telling. It says you don't know what you're talking about. You could reasonably assert that the government's ban of Kaspersky's software is motivated by FUD. However the ban itself is very real, violating the ban can get you into a world of trouble, so warning people to stay out of trouble for violating that ban is not FUD. Explained by analogy: Them: "Smoking marijuana can get you into trouble with the government." You: "That's just FUD, it's a harmless plant from my garden, it's not going to hurt me."
      - neximo64 3y ago
        I just don't think you understand the laws deeply. You seem to indicate you know what you're talking about and I think you do, but your understanding is surface level, i.e it is someone else in your organisation who told you how these work.
medo-bear 3y ago
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anaganisk 3y ago
So we pretty much love the closed nature of "Open" AI, and don't hesitate to send a lot of data to it, but we're suspicious about a small open source python file? In this context IT IS FUD.
- optimalsolver 3y ago
  Who's "we"? There are posts and comments here every day whining about "Closed AI".
AHOHA 3y ago
I know very well what FUD stands for.. and there’s nothing factual in whatever links up there, it’s all allegations with no proof that resulted in a government ban >There's no evidence that they have any back-doors in their software or any ties to the Russian mafia or state... It’s just to happen that an NSA spy contractor was detected by an anti virus software that’s basically doing its job. All AV software are technically malware to prevent other malwares, and old AV -including kaspresky, used to operate in an offline manner unless you update the local db, then things evolved to the need to have a cloud service to upload and analyze new suspicious files, in fact, the new ones -EDR- do more intensive tasks than AV by real time monitoring what the user does, analyzing the traffic, programs opened, forensics, and data collection for further analysis and immediately uploaded to the cloud (or the MDR), that’s part of its design, banning something because it did its job detecting a spy software IS a complete FUD only to happen that the business is in X country or an allegation that its CEO or founder worked in X. If you are serious about security, using windows to start with shouldn’t be your first choice, but if you have no options in here and you have to use an AV, would you choose an AV made in the same country you are in (or in the same intelligence alliance like the 5 eyes/14 eyes), or would you choose an external one how you usually do with a VPN for example? At the end of the day, AV or even EDR it’s just another software that can be bypassed, exploited, and even targeted with zero day attacks, so base your personal policy about these facts and not outsourcing yours to NSA or some spy agency.
- suction 3y ago
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by dwater 3y ago

neximo64 3y ago

Its an open source python script that doesn't really fit that description

George83728 3y ago
Do you think you would enjoy the process of trying to convince a court that their laws don't apply to python scripts? (they do, btw)
- neximo64 3y ago
  The fact you need to ask whether an open source python script needs a court to prove its a product and the lack of certainty is how FUD works. - What if you fork it, edit it, re-publish it as yours? - And what if other anti virus vendors do this?
  - George83728 3y ago
    The fact that you think you can just handwave away legal obligations like this with common sense is certainly telling. It says you don't know what you're talking about. You could reasonably assert that the government's ban of Kaspersky's software is motivated by FUD. However the ban itself is very real, violating the ban can get you into a world of trouble, so warning people to stay out of trouble for violating that ban is not FUD. Explained by analogy: Them: "Smoking marijuana can get you into trouble with the government." You: "That's just FUD, it's a harmless plant from my garden, it's not going to hurt me."
    - neximo64 3y ago
      I just don't think you understand the laws deeply. You seem to indicate you know what you're talking about and I think you do, but your understanding is surface level, i.e it is someone else in your organisation who told you how these work.

medo-bear 3y ago

the post was edited

anaganisk 3y ago

So we pretty much love the closed nature of "Open" AI, and don't hesitate to send a lot of data to it, but we're suspicious about a small open source python file? In this context IT IS FUD.

optimalsolver 3y ago
Who's "we"? There are posts and comments here every day whining about "Closed AI".

AHOHA 3y ago

I know very well what FUD stands for.. and there’s nothing factual in whatever links up there, it’s all allegations with no proof that resulted in a government ban >There's no evidence that they have any back-doors in their software or any ties to the Russian mafia or state... It’s just to happen that an NSA spy contractor was detected by an anti virus software that’s basically doing its job. All AV software are technically malware to prevent other malwares, and old AV -including kaspresky, used to operate in an offline manner unless you update the local db, then things evolved to the need to have a cloud service to upload and analyze new suspicious files, in fact, the new ones -EDR- do more intensive tasks than AV by real time monitoring what the user does, analyzing the traffic, programs opened, forensics, and data collection for further analysis and immediately uploaded to the cloud (or the MDR), that’s part of its design, banning something because it did its job detecting a spy software IS a complete FUD only to happen that the business is in X country or an allegation that its CEO or founder worked in X. If you are serious about security, using windows to start with shouldn’t be your first choice, but if you have no options in here and you have to use an AV, would you choose an AV made in the same country you are in (or in the same intelligence alliance like the 5 eyes/14 eyes), or would you choose an external one how you usually do with a VPN for example? At the end of the day, AV or even EDR it’s just another software that can be bypassed, exploited, and even targeted with zero day attacks, so base your personal policy about these facts and not outsourcing yours to NSA or some spy agency.

suction 3y ago
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