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ahem, the original link is here: https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys

doublerabbit 3y ago
Could you apply this to Discord currently? As in they are in the beginning phase of the enshittifcation metamorphism? With the new soundboards, change of usernames and the likes, it's feels like it's starting the cycle.
- Macha 3y ago
  Yes. The first warning shot for me was when they pushed stages really invasively in the UI to compete with clubhouse. I'd thought the high rate of nitro subscribership might have stalled it longer, but no.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  Go for something really open and free like Matrix. That's the only way to protect against eventual enshittification.
- bee_rider 3y ago
  Maybe I’m just old, but I don’t know what the inevitable pre-enshittified competition to Discord is. Do they exist yet? Discord is still at the beginning of the endhittification path so I guess it is not a super pressing issue.
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  - WorldPeas 3y ago
    it's probably either matrix or revolt, however I'd say matrix is the more mature/stable of the two
    - TeMPOraL 3y ago
      Funny how this reply also makes sense if you don't know that "discord", "matrix" and "revolt" are used as brand names here.
      - WorldPeas 3y ago
        funnier yet because matrix's old name used to be riot so it would be "riot or revolt". They really like their violent names don't they. Whatever happened to subtle names like teamspeak or mumble
    - bee_rider 3y ago
      It will be interesting to see what the enshitification process looks like for distributed/open source chat programs.
      - WorldPeas 3y ago
        it'll likely be at least somewhat thwarted by forking(one hopes).
    - zeekaran 3y ago
      Matrix can replace the 1-1 and group chat function of Discord, but you would need Zulip to replace the Slack/Teams group forum function. And having them separately kinda kills the whole idea, doesn't it? That's not including that neither have screensharing. Not even sure if they have group audio.
      - bee_rider 3y ago
        It wouldn’t be the end of the world to have a bundle of independent open source packages held together by shims and glue.

doublerabbit 3y ago

Could you apply this to Discord currently? As in they are in the beginning phase of the enshittifcation metamorphism? With the new soundboards, change of usernames and the likes, it's feels like it's starting the cycle.

Macha 3y ago
Yes. The first warning shot for me was when they pushed stages really invasively in the UI to compete with clubhouse. I'd thought the high rate of nitro subscribership might have stalled it longer, but no.
wkat4242 3y ago
Go for something really open and free like Matrix. That's the only way to protect against eventual enshittification.
bee_rider 3y ago
Maybe I’m just old, but I don’t know what the inevitable pre-enshittified competition to Discord is. Do they exist yet? Discord is still at the beginning of the endhittification path so I guess it is not a super pressing issue.
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- WorldPeas 3y ago
  it's probably either matrix or revolt, however I'd say matrix is the more mature/stable of the two
  - TeMPOraL 3y ago
    Funny how this reply also makes sense if you don't know that "discord", "matrix" and "revolt" are used as brand names here.
    - WorldPeas 3y ago
      funnier yet because matrix's old name used to be riot so it would be "riot or revolt". They really like their violent names don't they. Whatever happened to subtle names like teamspeak or mumble
  - bee_rider 3y ago
    It will be interesting to see what the enshitification process looks like for distributed/open source chat programs.
    - WorldPeas 3y ago
      it'll likely be at least somewhat thwarted by forking(one hopes).
  - zeekaran 3y ago
    Matrix can replace the 1-1 and group chat function of Discord, but you would need Zulip to replace the Slack/Teams group forum function. And having them separately kinda kills the whole idea, doesn't it? That's not including that neither have screensharing. Not even sure if they have group audio.
    - bee_rider 3y ago
      It wouldn’t be the end of the world to have a bundle of independent open source packages held together by shims and glue.