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That submission is very different. This story looks at wider effects and implications.

by interestica 3y ago

lapcat 3y ago
Subtracting external quoted links, the entire story is 4 paragraphs. It's just a wrapper around those links.
- interestica 3y ago
  Ok? That's the point though. It collects a bunch of external sources in one spot that are all related to the same issue -- and provides the context. A really great way to get a handle on the wider implications. And the initial HN submission you linked to, "Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing" -- does that in any way allude to its content?
  - lapcat 3y ago
    > That's the point though. It collects a bunch of external sources in one spot that are all related to the same issue -- and provides the context. You're missing the point, which is that this submission is just the latest in a long string of duplicate submissions, some of which have already been marked [dupe] by the moderators. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36142285 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36142285 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36142418 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36142418 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36143308 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36143308 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36144763 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36144763 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36147252 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36147252 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36147411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36147411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36150373 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36150373 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36151713 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36151713 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36152476 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36152476 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36159487 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36159487 > And the initial HN submission you linked to, "Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing" -- does that in any way allude to its content? It's literally the link quoted by "The creator of Apollo has done the math, and says"
    - interestica 3y ago
      > It's literally the link quoted by "The creator of Apollo has done the math, and says" So? The headline of the submission lacks meaning and provides no information. You would have to click into the link to realize wha the discussion is about. > You're missing the point, which is that this submission is just the latest in a long string of duplicate submissions, some of which have already been marked [dupe] by the moderators. My point is that this article sets up a different (and valid) discussion, provides wider context, and has a submission headline that gives human-readable context to the topic. (And the HN title has since been updated to use the article secondary heading to be even clearer). The link you posted had a big discussion yesterday, but it has already been bumped way down from the front page. Other discussions on subsequent days (especially if new information comes out -- or when other developers affected by the change speak up) are useful and should also be encouraged.
      - lapcat 3y ago
        > The headline of the submission lacks meaning and provides no information. You would have to click into the link to realize wha the discussion is about. Nonetheless: "Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > My point is that this article sets up a different (and valid) discussion Different? No. The discussion is the basically same as before. > provides wider context Some of the other HN submissions I linked above also provide wider context. This is a dupe. > Other discussions on subsequent days (especially if new information comes out -- or when other developers affected by the change speak up) are useful and should also be encouraged. No, that's actually contrary to HN policy: "Are reposts ok? If a story has not had significant attention in the last year or so, a small number of reposts is ok. Otherwise we bury reposts as duplicates." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html Moreover, the other developer's link in the Kotaku article was also already submitted to HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36151713 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36151713 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36147411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36147411

That submission is very different. This story looks at wider effects and implications.

lapcat 3y ago

Subtracting external quoted links, the entire story is 4 paragraphs. It's just a wrapper around those links.

interestica 3y ago
Ok? That's the point though. It collects a bunch of external sources in one spot that are all related to the same issue -- and provides the context. A really great way to get a handle on the wider implications. And the initial HN submission you linked to, "Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing" -- does that in any way allude to its content?
- lapcat 3y ago
  > That's the point though. It collects a bunch of external sources in one spot that are all related to the same issue -- and provides the context. You're missing the point, which is that this submission is just the latest in a long string of duplicate submissions, some of which have already been marked [dupe] by the moderators. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36142285 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36142285 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36142418 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36142418 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36143308 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36143308 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36144763 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36144763 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36147252 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36147252 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36147411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36147411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36150373 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36150373 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36151713 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36151713 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36152476 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36152476 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36159487 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36159487 > And the initial HN submission you linked to, "Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing" -- does that in any way allude to its content? It's literally the link quoted by "The creator of Apollo has done the math, and says"
  - interestica 3y ago
    > It's literally the link quoted by "The creator of Apollo has done the math, and says" So? The headline of the submission lacks meaning and provides no information. You would have to click into the link to realize wha the discussion is about. > You're missing the point, which is that this submission is just the latest in a long string of duplicate submissions, some of which have already been marked [dupe] by the moderators. My point is that this article sets up a different (and valid) discussion, provides wider context, and has a submission headline that gives human-readable context to the topic. (And the HN title has since been updated to use the article secondary heading to be even clearer). The link you posted had a big discussion yesterday, but it has already been bumped way down from the front page. Other discussions on subsequent days (especially if new information comes out -- or when other developers affected by the change speak up) are useful and should also be encouraged.
    - lapcat 3y ago
      > The headline of the submission lacks meaning and provides no information. You would have to click into the link to realize wha the discussion is about. Nonetheless: "Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > My point is that this article sets up a different (and valid) discussion Different? No. The discussion is the basically same as before. > provides wider context Some of the other HN submissions I linked above also provide wider context. This is a dupe. > Other discussions on subsequent days (especially if new information comes out -- or when other developers affected by the change speak up) are useful and should also be encouraged. No, that's actually contrary to HN policy: "Are reposts ok? If a story has not had significant attention in the last year or so, a small number of reposts is ok. Otherwise we bury reposts as duplicates." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html Moreover, the other developer's link in the Kotaku article was also already submitted to HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36151713 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36151713 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36147411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36147411