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Very frustrating to see the right blame the left for the homeless problem when the left are the only ones attempting to do anything about it.

russdill 3y ago
Apparently if someone is hungry and you feed them, or if they are naked and you clothe then it's your own damn fault that people keep showing up.
- realjhol 3y ago
  More like... - "when I was drug addicted you gave me cash" - "when I was stealing to fund my addictions, you made shop lifting legal for stolen items amounting to $1000 or less" - "when I was making violent threats, and assaulting members of the public you let me walk free" - "when the police tried to intervene you said they were systematically racist against people of color and should be defunded" - "when I had mental health issues, you closed down all the mental hospitals because you said they were oppressive institutions" The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
  - senttoschool 3y ago
    That's right. That's the hell hole San Francisco created. The city officials thought the tech tax money would never run out. Let's do extremely expensive feel-good, politically correct stuff to make people think we have a good heart.
    - russdill 3y ago
      What percentage is the budget do you imagine is being spent on homelessness?
  - Kbelicius 3y ago
    > "when I had mental health issues, you closed down all the mental hospitals because you said they were oppressive institutions" Wasn't that Reagan? Don't think that he was on the left.
    - realjhol 3y ago
      There's plenty of stupidity to go around
realjhol 3y ago
The left's idea or "doing something about it" is making the problem worse not better. It would be better to do nothing than actively facilitate and incentivize homelessness and drug addiction with cash payments.
- mschuster91 3y ago
  > The left's idea or "doing something about it" is making the problem worse not better. It would be better to do nothing than actively facilitate and incentivize homelessness and drug addiction with cash payments. It at least keeps people alive. The problem is that the causes of homelessness are not addressed at all - there is nowhere near enough affordable housing stock.
  - realjhol 3y ago
    > It at least keeps people alive. It may well keep people alive - in a way, but it's no solution if it creates a mass of people who are destroying themselves and the city community. It's still death - just in slow motion. > The problem is that the causes of homelessness are not addressed at all - there is nowhere near enough affordable housing stock. Yes, and that's not going to change, so alternative solutions are required.
    - mschuster91 3y ago
      > Yes, and that's not going to change, so alternative solutions are required. And which ones, bar building housing, should that be? Locking them up for the crime of not being able to afford a home (or being judged too unworthy of credit by three ultra-large black box corporations) is inhumane and costs the government way more than just giving them outright cash. Locking them up in mental wards has the same issues and there's a reason involuntary commitment fell out of favour - it's ripe for abuse. And driving them off via whatever measures just shifts the problem elsewhere.
      - realjhol 3y ago
        > Locking them up for the crime of not being able to afford a home But we should lock them up for the crime of doing crime: dealing drugs, drunk and disorderly, assault, robbery, theft etc. > and costs the government way more than just giving them outright cash. The cut-price solution is clearly no solution at all. > Locking them up in mental wards has the same issues and there's a reason involuntary commitment fell out of favour - it's ripe for abuse. These people meed help, and a drug-free environment is a place they can receive that help. > And driving them off via whatever measures just shifts the problem elsewhere. There are other places where some of these people (the ones without crippling mental health issues) stand a far better chance of building a stable life for themselves
shuckles 3y ago
Houston has gotten more people off the streets in the last decade than San Francisco or Los Angeles.

russdill 3y ago

Apparently if someone is hungry and you feed them, or if they are naked and you clothe then it's your own damn fault that people keep showing up.

realjhol 3y ago
More like... - "when I was drug addicted you gave me cash" - "when I was stealing to fund my addictions, you made shop lifting legal for stolen items amounting to $1000 or less" - "when I was making violent threats, and assaulting members of the public you let me walk free" - "when the police tried to intervene you said they were systematically racist against people of color and should be defunded" - "when I had mental health issues, you closed down all the mental hospitals because you said they were oppressive institutions" The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
- senttoschool 3y ago
  That's right. That's the hell hole San Francisco created. The city officials thought the tech tax money would never run out. Let's do extremely expensive feel-good, politically correct stuff to make people think we have a good heart.
  - russdill 3y ago
    What percentage is the budget do you imagine is being spent on homelessness?
- Kbelicius 3y ago
  > "when I had mental health issues, you closed down all the mental hospitals because you said they were oppressive institutions" Wasn't that Reagan? Don't think that he was on the left.
  - realjhol 3y ago
    There's plenty of stupidity to go around

realjhol 3y ago

The left's idea or "doing something about it" is making the problem worse not better. It would be better to do nothing than actively facilitate and incentivize homelessness and drug addiction with cash payments.

mschuster91 3y ago
> The left's idea or "doing something about it" is making the problem worse not better. It would be better to do nothing than actively facilitate and incentivize homelessness and drug addiction with cash payments. It at least keeps people alive. The problem is that the causes of homelessness are not addressed at all - there is nowhere near enough affordable housing stock.
- realjhol 3y ago
  > It at least keeps people alive. It may well keep people alive - in a way, but it's no solution if it creates a mass of people who are destroying themselves and the city community. It's still death - just in slow motion. > The problem is that the causes of homelessness are not addressed at all - there is nowhere near enough affordable housing stock. Yes, and that's not going to change, so alternative solutions are required.
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    > Yes, and that's not going to change, so alternative solutions are required. And which ones, bar building housing, should that be? Locking them up for the crime of not being able to afford a home (or being judged too unworthy of credit by three ultra-large black box corporations) is inhumane and costs the government way more than just giving them outright cash. Locking them up in mental wards has the same issues and there's a reason involuntary commitment fell out of favour - it's ripe for abuse. And driving them off via whatever measures just shifts the problem elsewhere.
    - realjhol 3y ago
      > Locking them up for the crime of not being able to afford a home But we should lock them up for the crime of doing crime: dealing drugs, drunk and disorderly, assault, robbery, theft etc. > and costs the government way more than just giving them outright cash. The cut-price solution is clearly no solution at all. > Locking them up in mental wards has the same issues and there's a reason involuntary commitment fell out of favour - it's ripe for abuse. These people meed help, and a drug-free environment is a place they can receive that help. > And driving them off via whatever measures just shifts the problem elsewhere. There are other places where some of these people (the ones without crippling mental health issues) stand a far better chance of building a stable life for themselves

shuckles 3y ago

Houston has gotten more people off the streets in the last decade than San Francisco or Los Angeles.