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have you ever experienced anything outside of your conscious experience? how do you know there is a world outside? and not phenomena arising within your consc

have you ever experienced anything outside of your conscious experience? how do you know there is a world outside? and not phenomena arising within your conscious experience? if you close your eyes, you will find a consciousness without end open your eyes & these very words arise within your conscious experience and when you close your eyes, only consciousness remains

tsimionescu 3y ago
Yes, of course. I discover things changing in my body every time I look again. And whenever I interact with the world, I discover it has changed significantly since I last interacted. Of course, since I can't observe anything except what I'm observing right now, I could conclude that I'm creating those observations. But I have noticed time and time again that the world largely looks like the same whether I observe it or not. Also, occasionally things that I didn't observe suddenly happen to me, in a way which is consistent only with them having originated outside myself (for example, a ball hits me in the back of the head).
- perfmode 3y ago
  Do you perceive the ball hit your head through direct experience? Or is it mediated through the interpretation of the mind?
  - tsimionescu 3y ago
    This question makes no sense. There is no distinction between and my mind, so experiences of the mind are by definition direct experiences. Either way, if you're claiming I'm just a figment of your imagination, this conversation really makes very little sense, and of course there is no proof I can bring that would convince you. The existence of a world independent of our own minds is a pre-requisite for any meaningful conversation.
    - perfmode 3y ago
      how did you come to this conclusion that there is no difference between you and your mind? would you classify this as a belief? or as an assumption? or as a fact? could you somehow test this?

tsimionescu 3y ago

Yes, of course. I discover things changing in my body every time I look again. And whenever I interact with the world, I discover it has changed significantly since I last interacted. Of course, since I can't observe anything except what I'm observing right now, I could conclude that I'm creating those observations. But I have noticed time and time again that the world largely looks like the same whether I observe it or not. Also, occasionally things that I didn't observe suddenly happen to me, in a way which is consistent only with them having originated outside myself (for example, a ball hits me in the back of the head).

perfmode 3y ago
Do you perceive the ball hit your head through direct experience? Or is it mediated through the interpretation of the mind?
- tsimionescu 3y ago
  This question makes no sense. There is no distinction between and my mind, so experiences of the mind are by definition direct experiences. Either way, if you're claiming I'm just a figment of your imagination, this conversation really makes very little sense, and of course there is no proof I can bring that would convince you. The existence of a world independent of our own minds is a pre-requisite for any meaningful conversation.
  - perfmode 3y ago
    how did you come to this conclusion that there is no difference between you and your mind? would you classify this as a belief? or as an assumption? or as a fact? could you somehow test this?