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I've seen chat GPT write terrible code. For simple problem domains where you're coding stuff that's effectively interview questions or basic data handling (lik

I've seen chat GPT write terrible code. For simple problem domains where you're coding stuff that's effectively interview questions or basic data handling (like what millions of tutorials describe on the net today) it's fine. But for actually solving novel problems it completely fails. The best way to understand this is the fact that the open AI/chat GPT developers themselves don't use the tech to code itself. Generative fill is a neat feature for a limited domain. It is not some grand realignment of labor, the truth is there are orders of magnitude more construction workers, dog walkers, baristas, etc. than graphic designers. Generative fill or other related AI tech is useless to most people's work.

tambourine_man 3y ago
Right, so we automate away mediocre intelectual jobs and keep only the very top and bottom of the pyramid. And that’s not a grand realignment of labor and comparable to NFTs?
- krainboltgreene 3y ago
  > Right, so we automate away mediocre intelectual jobs and keep only the very top and bottom of the pyramid. This is not going to happen no matter how much you think it will.
  - tambourine_man 3y ago
    Care to substantiate that?
    - krainboltgreene 3y ago
      Substantiate a negative? No.
      - tambourine_man 3y ago
        Let me make it easier for you: “This is not going to happen no matter how much you think it will.” Really? Why do you think so?
logicallee 3y ago
Do you pay for ChatGPT 4? If so I am puzzled why you say "But for actually solving novel problems it completely fails" as I find it has no problem solving novel problems, better than I would. Could you give an example of a novel problem it completely fails at?
ano88888 3y ago
This is where you're getting it wrong. You're expecting a prefect AI writing perfect code and be able to solve any problem you give it. No, AI cannot do that. Instead, if you use it as a tool to quickly get you up to speed with boilerplate code or research, it can at least double your productivity when you learn how to use it effectively. Dude, unless you're a god-like programmer, you will get behind if you ignore any tool that can improve your productivity, even if it is just a tiny bit per day.
koonsolo 3y ago
How much coding do you think is "solving novel problems"? I'm a senior developer and integrated ChatGPT and Github Copilot into my workflow. No more StackOverflow for me, ChatGPT handles that part. And Copilot auto writes a lot of my code, amazingly well for a lesser known language Haxe. My son recently came to me with a school assignment for his Arduino. As an extra he wanted to play a song through a buzzer, instead of just a beep like the assignment said. Just asked chatGPT to write this for the song Ghost Busters. I know C and C++ but never programmed an Arduino. You know how long it took ChatGPT to write it? About half a minute. You know how much time it would cost me or you? 1. Quickly figure out how Arduino works with the loop, outputs, etc. Does it have a C precompiler? etc. 2. Find the notes of Ghost Busters. 3. Figure out what kind of output is sent to the buzzer. (Solution: it's the frequency) 4. Translate notes to frequencies 5. Put the notes of Ghost Busters into an array, or something like that. How to handle timings and pauses? 6. Write the code to play it. Well, I can tell you it saved me tons of time. It was faster than typing this comment. Just dismissing it with "I've seen chat GPT write terrible code" is not so smart in my opinion. But hey, the more programmers think they are too good for ChatGPT and Copilot, the better for developers like me who are already great, and just add some more productivity on top of that. Edit: Just wanted to add something on top of it, for the projects I'm working on myself: Copilot just terribly good at writing unit tests. And if you think about it, it makes perfect sense. It has all the context it needs for that. It's surprisingly also very good at writing Selenium integration tests, although I expected it not to have enough context for that, since it doesn't really see the application. I guess a lot of functionality is very logical or trivial for it to take best guesses.

tambourine_man 3y ago

Right, so we automate away mediocre intelectual jobs and keep only the very top and bottom of the pyramid. And that’s not a grand realignment of labor and comparable to NFTs?

krainboltgreene 3y ago
> Right, so we automate away mediocre intelectual jobs and keep only the very top and bottom of the pyramid. This is not going to happen no matter how much you think it will.
- tambourine_man 3y ago
  Care to substantiate that?
  - krainboltgreene 3y ago
    Substantiate a negative? No.
    - tambourine_man 3y ago
      Let me make it easier for you: “This is not going to happen no matter how much you think it will.” Really? Why do you think so?

logicallee 3y ago

Do you pay for ChatGPT 4? If so I am puzzled why you say "But for actually solving novel problems it completely fails" as I find it has no problem solving novel problems, better than I would. Could you give an example of a novel problem it completely fails at?

ano88888 3y ago

This is where you're getting it wrong. You're expecting a prefect AI writing perfect code and be able to solve any problem you give it. No, AI cannot do that. Instead, if you use it as a tool to quickly get you up to speed with boilerplate code or research, it can at least double your productivity when you learn how to use it effectively. Dude, unless you're a god-like programmer, you will get behind if you ignore any tool that can improve your productivity, even if it is just a tiny bit per day.

koonsolo 3y ago

How much coding do you think is "solving novel problems"? I'm a senior developer and integrated ChatGPT and Github Copilot into my workflow. No more StackOverflow for me, ChatGPT handles that part. And Copilot auto writes a lot of my code, amazingly well for a lesser known language Haxe. My son recently came to me with a school assignment for his Arduino. As an extra he wanted to play a song through a buzzer, instead of just a beep like the assignment said. Just asked chatGPT to write this for the song Ghost Busters. I know C and C++ but never programmed an Arduino. You know how long it took ChatGPT to write it? About half a minute. You know how much time it would cost me or you? 1. Quickly figure out how Arduino works with the loop, outputs, etc. Does it have a C precompiler? etc. 2. Find the notes of Ghost Busters. 3. Figure out what kind of output is sent to the buzzer. (Solution: it's the frequency) 4. Translate notes to frequencies 5. Put the notes of Ghost Busters into an array, or something like that. How to handle timings and pauses? 6. Write the code to play it. Well, I can tell you it saved me tons of time. It was faster than typing this comment. Just dismissing it with "I've seen chat GPT write terrible code" is not so smart in my opinion. But hey, the more programmers think they are too good for ChatGPT and Copilot, the better for developers like me who are already great, and just add some more productivity on top of that. Edit: Just wanted to add something on top of it, for the projects I'm working on myself: Copilot just terribly good at writing unit tests. And if you think about it, it makes perfect sense. It has all the context it needs for that. It's surprisingly also very good at writing Selenium integration tests, although I expected it not to have enough context for that, since it doesn't really see the application. I guess a lot of functionality is very logical or trivial for it to take best guesses.