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> I've seen plenty [...] You keep saying this, yet you haven't provided any example. I don't believe you, happy to change my mind after you provide some exampl

by jraph 3y ago

> I've seen plenty [...] You keep saying this, yet you haven't provided any example. I don't believe you, happy to change my mind after you provide some examples. And I can't make any sense out of your closed source software that would be published under a free as in libre license. Closed and libre are pretty much opposite. I mean no disrespect, but you are the one conflating everything with everything.

Dalewyn 3y ago
One example of open source code with restrictive licensing that comes to mind are Kerbal Space Program mods published on Kerbal Space Program's website.[1] Kerbal Space Program mandates that any mods published on their website also publicly disclose their full source code so that players can audit them prior to execution. However, all other rights are at the discretion of the respective authors and many of them use licensing terms that restrict use and redistribution. CDisplay[2] comes to mind as an example of free (as in beer) closed source software. I stand by my view that "free" source code and "open" source are two separate concepts that should not be conflated. [1]: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/154851-add-on-posting-rules-april-13-2021/ https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/154851... [2]: https://www.cdisplay.me/ https://www.cdisplay.me/
- jraph 3y ago
  There's not a single occurrence of "open source" in your first link. Actually, there's no example of any actual software at all on this page. Just some policy for posting software that tells people to license their code and to respect the license of the work they use. I agree that it does not technically require open source, only "publicly available" source code. And I'm not going to dig the forum to find some actual example. I know source available programs with a license restrictive enough to be proprietary exist. Here's one: CompCert [1] By the way, its non commercial license itself claim claims it is non-free [2] and the download page claims it's not free software. Even if it is "free" (gratis) to use in a non commercial setting. That's software with source code available. Source-available software. It's not open source. And I also know freeware (gratis, proprietary software) without any available source code exist. But a source-available program that pretends to be open source is yet to be seen. CompCert certainly don't advertises itself as open source. Because it's not! [1] https://compcert.org/ https://compcert.org/ [2] https://compcert.org/doc/LICENSE.txt https://compcert.org/doc/LICENSE.txt [3] https://compcert.org/download.html https://compcert.org/download.html

by jraph 3y ago

Dalewyn 3y ago

One example of open source code with restrictive licensing that comes to mind are Kerbal Space Program mods published on Kerbal Space Program's website.[1] Kerbal Space Program mandates that any mods published on their website also publicly disclose their full source code so that players can audit them prior to execution. However, all other rights are at the discretion of the respective authors and many of them use licensing terms that restrict use and redistribution. CDisplay[2] comes to mind as an example of free (as in beer) closed source software. I stand by my view that "free" source code and "open" source are two separate concepts that should not be conflated. [1]: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/154851-add-on-posting-rules-april-13-2021/ https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/154851... [2]: https://www.cdisplay.me/ https://www.cdisplay.me/

jraph 3y ago
There's not a single occurrence of "open source" in your first link. Actually, there's no example of any actual software at all on this page. Just some policy for posting software that tells people to license their code and to respect the license of the work they use. I agree that it does not technically require open source, only "publicly available" source code. And I'm not going to dig the forum to find some actual example. I know source available programs with a license restrictive enough to be proprietary exist. Here's one: CompCert [1] By the way, its non commercial license itself claim claims it is non-free [2] and the download page claims it's not free software. Even if it is "free" (gratis) to use in a non commercial setting. That's software with source code available. Source-available software. It's not open source. And I also know freeware (gratis, proprietary software) without any available source code exist. But a source-available program that pretends to be open source is yet to be seen. CompCert certainly don't advertises itself as open source. Because it's not! [1] https://compcert.org/ https://compcert.org/ [2] https://compcert.org/doc/LICENSE.txt https://compcert.org/doc/LICENSE.txt [3] https://compcert.org/download.html https://compcert.org/download.html