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From reading the article, it appears that there was a fence (presumably intersecting sections of fence) that had to be overcome. Climbing the fences would be, n

From reading the article, it appears that there was a fence (presumably intersecting sections of fence) that had to be overcome. Climbing the fences would be, nominally, stepping foot on those fenced properties. Using the ladder let them go over the corner boundary without actually having to step foot on the other two adjacent properties. | Public ---+--- Public | The fences belong to the private properties (if my understanding is correct) and the ladder lets them technically remain only, with regard to "setting foot", on the public properties.

ryandrake 3y ago
Clearly, the answer is to build a trebuchet to fling people across.
- throwaway2037 3y ago
  This is a brilliant "Age of Empires 2" reference.
lazide 3y ago
The fence is also illegal.
- throwaway2037 3y ago
  I tried to Google about this, but I could not find anything. As one this page, there are no serious discussions about this matter. Can you share a reference?
  - fragmede 3y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36158967 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36158967
  - sophacles 3y ago
    The actual court ruling is here: https://www.wyd.uscourts.gov/sites/wyd/files/opinions/22-cv-67_SWS_Order.pdf https://www.wyd.uscourts.gov/sites/wyd/files/opinions/22-cv-... (kudos to whoever linked it up thread - couldn't find that comment again, but had it open in a tab).
    - throwaway2037 3y ago
      I should have been more clear in my original post: The precedent is that corner crossing is illegal and fences to enforce that are ok. I meant to ask: Are fences around your lot of land legal? I would think, yes, to protected livestock against predators. However, it would be trivial to add a small space at the corner for people to do "corner crossing" between checkerboard public lands. Next, the PDF is a great share. I am feasting on it now! Page 7 reads: Other than these chained-together signs, there were no posts, fending, or building within one-quarter of a more of the corner. What a laugh! Thank goodness this kind of behaviour is being overruled! Another good part (pg7 again): [T]here is no evidence the Defendants caused any damage to the Plaintiff's property. On page 9, the photo of A-frame ladder in action is brilliant! The guy looks so hardcore in 100% camo. This is the like the ultimate HN "legal hack". If you position the ladder just right, all four legs will be in public lands.
      - lazide 3y ago
        Regarding you first point - fences around your land are perfectly fine (barring some other law, like an environmental protection law, zoning, whatever). But it is illegal to block access to federal public lands. So you’d need to have some way through. Doesn’t have to be on the corner, it could be an easement or whatever somewhere else, but access can’t be blocked. They intentionally did it to block people though, and try to defacto claim the public land as theirs - which is illegal.
- HDThoreaun 3y ago
  According to this low level judge. The precedent is that corner crossing is illegal and fences to enforce that are ok.
  - lazide 3y ago
    No, according to the Inclosures act of 1885.
    - HDThoreaun 3y ago
      Judges make the law in this country due to our common law system. The law from 1885 may say that fencing off legally accessible land is illegal, but according to the land owner the supreme court said corner crossing is illegal so the fence in this situation would not count, because it wasn't blocking legal access. The question that matters here is whether corner crossing is allowed, the fence question follows.
      - lazide 3y ago
        This is well settled federal law. The landowner was attempting to make up an alternative story while ignoring the settled law. He failed.
        HDThoreaun 3y ago
        It absolutely is not. Corner crossing was literally illegal right up until this decision came out. Using fences to enforce that was absolutely allowed since the public land was technically not accessible. This is far from the first case about corner crossing, hopefully it will be the last.
        lazide 3y ago
        Cite? Because that seems like complete BS. The judge even dismissed it in the summary judgement, it wasn’t even a close thing. And they aren’t allowed to put up fences to deny access to public land, that’s the entire point of the Inclosures act.

ryandrake 3y ago

Clearly, the answer is to build a trebuchet to fling people across.

throwaway2037 3y ago
This is a brilliant "Age of Empires 2" reference.

lazide 3y ago

The fence is also illegal.

throwaway2037 3y ago
I tried to Google about this, but I could not find anything. As one this page, there are no serious discussions about this matter. Can you share a reference?
- fragmede 3y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36158967 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36158967
- sophacles 3y ago
  The actual court ruling is here: https://www.wyd.uscourts.gov/sites/wyd/files/opinions/22-cv-67_SWS_Order.pdf https://www.wyd.uscourts.gov/sites/wyd/files/opinions/22-cv-... (kudos to whoever linked it up thread - couldn't find that comment again, but had it open in a tab).
  - throwaway2037 3y ago
    I should have been more clear in my original post: The precedent is that corner crossing is illegal and fences to enforce that are ok. I meant to ask: Are fences around your lot of land legal? I would think, yes, to protected livestock against predators. However, it would be trivial to add a small space at the corner for people to do "corner crossing" between checkerboard public lands. Next, the PDF is a great share. I am feasting on it now! Page 7 reads: Other than these chained-together signs, there were no posts, fending, or building within one-quarter of a more of the corner. What a laugh! Thank goodness this kind of behaviour is being overruled! Another good part (pg7 again): [T]here is no evidence the Defendants caused any damage to the Plaintiff's property. On page 9, the photo of A-frame ladder in action is brilliant! The guy looks so hardcore in 100% camo. This is the like the ultimate HN "legal hack". If you position the ladder just right, all four legs will be in public lands.
    - lazide 3y ago
      Regarding you first point - fences around your land are perfectly fine (barring some other law, like an environmental protection law, zoning, whatever). But it is illegal to block access to federal public lands. So you’d need to have some way through. Doesn’t have to be on the corner, it could be an easement or whatever somewhere else, but access can’t be blocked. They intentionally did it to block people though, and try to defacto claim the public land as theirs - which is illegal.
HDThoreaun 3y ago
According to this low level judge. The precedent is that corner crossing is illegal and fences to enforce that are ok.
- lazide 3y ago
  No, according to the Inclosures act of 1885.
  - HDThoreaun 3y ago
    Judges make the law in this country due to our common law system. The law from 1885 may say that fencing off legally accessible land is illegal, but according to the land owner the supreme court said corner crossing is illegal so the fence in this situation would not count, because it wasn't blocking legal access. The question that matters here is whether corner crossing is allowed, the fence question follows.
    - lazide 3y ago
      This is well settled federal law. The landowner was attempting to make up an alternative story while ignoring the settled law. He failed.
      - HDThoreaun 3y ago
        It absolutely is not. Corner crossing was literally illegal right up until this decision came out. Using fences to enforce that was absolutely allowed since the public land was technically not accessible. This is far from the first case about corner crossing, hopefully it will be the last.
        lazide 3y ago
        Cite? Because that seems like complete BS. The judge even dismissed it in the summary judgement, it wasn’t even a close thing. And they aren’t allowed to put up fences to deny access to public land, that’s the entire point of the Inclosures act.