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How else are they supposed to cross from one corner to the other?

by michaelhoffman 3y ago

idopmstuff 3y ago
Just step across.
- californical 3y ago
  Which is also illegal, btw, due to terrible us laws around public land
  - Eduard 3y ago
    Just build a ladder high enough. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_rights https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_rights
    - labster 3y ago
      I see you, and raise you Cuius est solum, eius est usque ad coelum et ad inferos https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuius_est_solum,_eius_est_usque_ad_coelum_et_ad_inferos https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuius_est_solum,_eius_est_us...
    - mr_toad 3y ago
      Or parachute in. Not sure how you’d get out though.
      - Lev1a 3y ago
        > Not sure how you’d get out though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton_surface-to-air_recovery_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton_surface-to-air_recovery... , also known as "Skyhook" and pretty well demonstrated in "The Dark Knight".
      - SirMaster 3y ago
        Simple, you could use a Paramotor. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6dkRoX-Z6_A https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6dkRoX-Z6_A
  - LastTrain 3y ago
    Seems as though it is not illegal, at least according to this ruling?
  - labster 3y ago
    Not according to this ruling. But still possibly illegal in another federal circuit.
  - bhickey 3y ago
    Blocking access to public lands is a violation of the Inclosures Act of 1885. https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title43/chapter25&edition=prelim https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title43/cha...
- Jtsummers 3y ago
  From reading the article, it appears that there was a fence (presumably intersecting sections of fence) that had to be overcome. Climbing the fences would be, nominally, stepping foot on those fenced properties. Using the ladder let them go over the corner boundary without actually having to step foot on the other two adjacent properties. | Public ---+--- Public | The fences belong to the private properties (if my understanding is correct) and the ladder lets them technically remain only, with regard to "setting foot", on the public properties.
  - ryandrake 3y ago
    Clearly, the answer is to build a trebuchet to fling people across.
    - throwaway2037 3y ago
      This is a brilliant "Age of Empires 2" reference.
  - lazide 3y ago
    The fence is also illegal.
    - throwaway2037 3y ago
      I tried to Google about this, but I could not find anything. As one this page, there are no serious discussions about this matter. Can you share a reference?
      - fragmede 3y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36158967 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36158967
      - sophacles 3y ago
        The actual court ruling is here: https://www.wyd.uscourts.gov/sites/wyd/files/opinions/22-cv-67_SWS_Order.pdf https://www.wyd.uscourts.gov/sites/wyd/files/opinions/22-cv-... (kudos to whoever linked it up thread - couldn't find that comment again, but had it open in a tab).
Eduard 3y ago
By digging a tunnel, for instance
hadlock 3y ago
The ruling very intentionally says "on foot", which limits it to people walking across. Leaves the door open for future debate/interpretation about vehicular traffic. You might be able to design an offroad vehicle that can "step" across the boundary but by my (non-lawyer) reading this isn't covered by that.
yaur 3y ago
They are supposed to pay the rancher a trespass fee to be allowed access to the public land through their property or hire a guide that has a commercial agreement with rancher that includes access to the public lands.
- jjulius 3y ago
  Or, they could just... ask. Never a guarantee, but still an option until this issue can be more clearly defined from a legal standpoint. >“Last year, a couple of dads from Missoula and their sons showed up and asked me if they could hunt here. I told them to give me 15 minutes and I’d take them out with me. We got some really nice mule deer bucks for their sons, and they helped me work cattle the next day. We got some antelope for the dads the day after. So we had fun. One of them even bought beef from me this year.” https://www.onxmaps.com/onx-access-initiatives/corner-crossing-report https://www.onxmaps.com/onx-access-initiatives/corner-crossi...
  - thedailymail 3y ago
    It's a nice story but not great to think that we need to ask some oligarch's employee to be allowed to be escorted onto public land.

How else are they supposed to cross from one corner to the other?

idopmstuff 3y ago

Just step across.

californical 3y ago
Which is also illegal, btw, due to terrible us laws around public land
- Eduard 3y ago
  Just build a ladder high enough. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_rights https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_rights
  - labster 3y ago
    I see you, and raise you Cuius est solum, eius est usque ad coelum et ad inferos https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuius_est_solum,_eius_est_usque_ad_coelum_et_ad_inferos https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuius_est_solum,_eius_est_us...
  - mr_toad 3y ago
    Or parachute in. Not sure how you’d get out though.
    - Lev1a 3y ago
      > Not sure how you’d get out though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton_surface-to-air_recovery_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton_surface-to-air_recovery... , also known as "Skyhook" and pretty well demonstrated in "The Dark Knight".
    - SirMaster 3y ago
      Simple, you could use a Paramotor. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6dkRoX-Z6_A https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6dkRoX-Z6_A
- LastTrain 3y ago
  Seems as though it is not illegal, at least according to this ruling?
- labster 3y ago
  Not according to this ruling. But still possibly illegal in another federal circuit.
- bhickey 3y ago
  Blocking access to public lands is a violation of the Inclosures Act of 1885. https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title43/chapter25&edition=prelim https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title43/cha...
Jtsummers 3y ago
From reading the article, it appears that there was a fence (presumably intersecting sections of fence) that had to be overcome. Climbing the fences would be, nominally, stepping foot on those fenced properties. Using the ladder let them go over the corner boundary without actually having to step foot on the other two adjacent properties. | Public ---+--- Public | The fences belong to the private properties (if my understanding is correct) and the ladder lets them technically remain only, with regard to "setting foot", on the public properties.
- ryandrake 3y ago
  Clearly, the answer is to build a trebuchet to fling people across.
  - throwaway2037 3y ago
    This is a brilliant "Age of Empires 2" reference.
- lazide 3y ago
  The fence is also illegal.
  - throwaway2037 3y ago
    I tried to Google about this, but I could not find anything. As one this page, there are no serious discussions about this matter. Can you share a reference?
    - fragmede 3y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36158967 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36158967
    - sophacles 3y ago
      The actual court ruling is here: https://www.wyd.uscourts.gov/sites/wyd/files/opinions/22-cv-67_SWS_Order.pdf https://www.wyd.uscourts.gov/sites/wyd/files/opinions/22-cv-... (kudos to whoever linked it up thread - couldn't find that comment again, but had it open in a tab).

Eduard 3y ago

By digging a tunnel, for instance

hadlock 3y ago

The ruling very intentionally says "on foot", which limits it to people walking across. Leaves the door open for future debate/interpretation about vehicular traffic. You might be able to design an offroad vehicle that can "step" across the boundary but by my (non-lawyer) reading this isn't covered by that.

yaur 3y ago

They are supposed to pay the rancher a trespass fee to be allowed access to the public land through their property or hire a guide that has a commercial agreement with rancher that includes access to the public lands.

jjulius 3y ago
Or, they could just... ask. Never a guarantee, but still an option until this issue can be more clearly defined from a legal standpoint. >“Last year, a couple of dads from Missoula and their sons showed up and asked me if they could hunt here. I told them to give me 15 minutes and I’d take them out with me. We got some really nice mule deer bucks for their sons, and they helped me work cattle the next day. We got some antelope for the dads the day after. So we had fun. One of them even bought beef from me this year.” https://www.onxmaps.com/onx-access-initiatives/corner-crossing-report https://www.onxmaps.com/onx-access-initiatives/corner-crossi...
- thedailymail 3y ago
  It's a nice story but not great to think that we need to ask some oligarch's employee to be allowed to be escorted onto public land.