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> And that is more than livable, even in NYC. No, it's not.

gcheong 3y ago
Median NYC household income in 2021 was 70,663. Pretty sure double the median income is a livable wage.
ctvo 3y ago
The median household income in NYC is $70,663. We're talking about Manhattan mainly for this job, so let's double that. That's still less than the 150k salary, and this is a single person, not a household. I promise you, you're not going to be homeless at 150k.
- starvingstaffer 3y ago
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  - zztop44 3y ago
    What? OP was replying to an assertion that 150k is not “liveable” in NYC. Of course the median household income in the city is relevant to that.
    - starvingstaffer 3y ago
      That all depends on what you mean by livable, no? Your mileage may vary, but as a professional of that standing, having invested substantial time and intellectual energy to master my profession, my social requirements, for my spouse, my children, my friends, where we go, what we do, are not going to be satisfactorily met by such an income level in New York City. This doesn't even have anything to do with personal preferences in such matters, but ultimately how one lives and provides for loved ones and the natural company one keeps. Developers are not children. We are professionals and our profession is in fact one of the more highly demanding cognitive professions.
      - ctvo 3y ago
        I don't think many people will claim 150k is market price for a staff engineering position in NYC. But it is more than enough to live in Manhattan. Full stop. If MoMA or another non-profit offers you a salary than fails to support your lavish lifestyle: don't accept it. Hope that helps.
  - ctvo 3y ago
    I'm confused what you're even replying to THIS is what we're discussing: >> And that is more than livable, even in NYC. > No, it's not. (Aside here: you made a new account to argue against straw man arguments?)
EddieEngineers 3y ago
That’s so detached from reality it’s funny
CommitDevSpammr 3y ago
> a prospective employer first makes you "consent" to a legal agreement before even getting to employment application What kind of legal agreement are they asking you to sign off before the job application? Sounds like CloudKitchens. Cloud Kitchens engineering managers cold emailed and then told you to sign an invention assignment agreement just to do the first call with the engineering manager.

Median NYC household income in 2021 was 70,663. Pretty sure double the median income is a livable wage.

ctvo 3y ago

The median household income in NYC is $70,663. We're talking about Manhattan mainly for this job, so let's double that. That's still less than the 150k salary, and this is a single person, not a household. I promise you, you're not going to be homeless at 150k.

starvingstaffer 3y ago
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- zztop44 3y ago
  What? OP was replying to an assertion that 150k is not “liveable” in NYC. Of course the median household income in the city is relevant to that.
  - starvingstaffer 3y ago
    That all depends on what you mean by livable, no? Your mileage may vary, but as a professional of that standing, having invested substantial time and intellectual energy to master my profession, my social requirements, for my spouse, my children, my friends, where we go, what we do, are not going to be satisfactorily met by such an income level in New York City. This doesn't even have anything to do with personal preferences in such matters, but ultimately how one lives and provides for loved ones and the natural company one keeps. Developers are not children. We are professionals and our profession is in fact one of the more highly demanding cognitive professions.
    - ctvo 3y ago
      I don't think many people will claim 150k is market price for a staff engineering position in NYC. But it is more than enough to live in Manhattan. Full stop. If MoMA or another non-profit offers you a salary than fails to support your lavish lifestyle: don't accept it. Hope that helps.
- ctvo 3y ago
  I'm confused what you're even replying to THIS is what we're discussing: >> And that is more than livable, even in NYC. > No, it's not. (Aside here: you made a new account to argue against straw man arguments?)

EddieEngineers 3y ago

That’s so detached from reality it’s funny

CommitDevSpammr 3y ago

> a prospective employer first makes you "consent" to a legal agreement before even getting to employment application What kind of legal agreement are they asking you to sign off before the job application? Sounds like CloudKitchens. Cloud Kitchens engineering managers cold emailed and then told you to sign an invention assignment agreement just to do the first call with the engineering manager.