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Useless parentheses?

by AtNightWeCode 3y ago

WJW 3y ago
There are many parentheses, but they're hardly useless.
- AtNightWeCode 3y ago
  Love to meet you at a party! ;) Cheers!
temporallobe 3y ago
My nickname for Clojure/Lisp is (parenthetical hell).
- shaunxcode 3y ago
  (nirvana (in hand))
beders 3y ago
Sigh. How many parentheses does this have: myFn(x,y,z); vs. (myFn x y z)
- bmacho 3y ago
  That's strawmanning. Indeed, function calling needs the same amount of parentheses. But literally every popular languages (C/C++/Java/Javascript) have syntactic clues for : - assigning values to variables - function definitions - denoting elements of structures - if, for and while control flow - fields of structs or objects - etc Which also play a huge role in structured/OOP programming. Less popular languages usually have syntactic clues for the important parts of their paradigm. Once I transpiled the example code from the Janet site[0] to Python (I don't speak Janet.) You can compare them, and count the parentheses, and the syntactic clues in general: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34846516 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34846516 [0] : https://janet-lang.org/ https://janet-lang.org/
  - AtNightWeCode 3y ago
    Jesus, it was a joke. The major diff is that with imperative langs you are not using functions as much as with functional programming langs. Even though in C# and other langs functional patterns becomes more and more common. Which is also my main criticism against functional programming langs. Functional programming is just a design pattern among others. Lispians will disagree. During the last 25 years I heard this garbage over and over that functional programming will take over. I worked at companies that invested heavily in some of the functional programming langs (like F#). All of them have been heavily crippled by it. If functional programming was so great it would have conquered the world by now. It has been around 4-5 times longer than smartphones. It is simply garbage. Practice and theory are two different beasts.
sigjuice 3y ago
It is quite the opposite. Every pair is meaningful. Extra parenthesis cannot be added just for the heck of it without changing the meaning of the code.
eimrine 3y ago
Try Programmer Dvorak if you are too bothered with pressing Shift.

Useless parentheses?

WJW 3y ago

There are many parentheses, but they're hardly useless.

AtNightWeCode 3y ago
Love to meet you at a party! ;) Cheers!

temporallobe 3y ago

My nickname for Clojure/Lisp is (parenthetical hell).

shaunxcode 3y ago
(nirvana (in hand))

beders 3y ago

Sigh. How many parentheses does this have: myFn(x,y,z); vs. (myFn x y z)

bmacho 3y ago
That's strawmanning. Indeed, function calling needs the same amount of parentheses. But literally every popular languages (C/C++/Java/Javascript) have syntactic clues for : - assigning values to variables - function definitions - denoting elements of structures - if, for and while control flow - fields of structs or objects - etc Which also play a huge role in structured/OOP programming. Less popular languages usually have syntactic clues for the important parts of their paradigm. Once I transpiled the example code from the Janet site[0] to Python (I don't speak Janet.) You can compare them, and count the parentheses, and the syntactic clues in general: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34846516 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34846516 [0] : https://janet-lang.org/ https://janet-lang.org/
- AtNightWeCode 3y ago
  Jesus, it was a joke. The major diff is that with imperative langs you are not using functions as much as with functional programming langs. Even though in C# and other langs functional patterns becomes more and more common. Which is also my main criticism against functional programming langs. Functional programming is just a design pattern among others. Lispians will disagree. During the last 25 years I heard this garbage over and over that functional programming will take over. I worked at companies that invested heavily in some of the functional programming langs (like F#). All of them have been heavily crippled by it. If functional programming was so great it would have conquered the world by now. It has been around 4-5 times longer than smartphones. It is simply garbage. Practice and theory are two different beasts.

sigjuice 3y ago

It is quite the opposite. Every pair is meaningful. Extra parenthesis cannot be added just for the heck of it without changing the meaning of the code.

eimrine 3y ago

Try Programmer Dvorak if you are too bothered with pressing Shift.