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Boy am I glad that we are saying "was" now about that nonsense
by mkoubaa 3y ago
Boy am I glad that we are saying "was" now about that nonsense
- jimsimmons 3y agoYou think Van Gogh and Picasso are nonsense? Or even Mondrian
- DirectorKrennic 3y agoYes and no. On one hand, my social class and upbringing almost command that I should find beauty in Van Gogh and Picasso's works. I defer to the masters on matters I do not understand, but it's not where my personal taste and love really lie.
- ethanbond 3y agoHave you seen Picassos or (especially) Van Goghs in person?
- toolz 3y agoI have. I do a lot of traveling and inevitably people want to go to art installations and museums and I'm always fine with going. Anways, there's not a lot of legendary art pieces (that are in public places) I haven't seen in person. Not a single one of them really inspire me. I'd go so far as to say I don't really understand how art became such a huge market to begin with. I literally wouldn't pay $100 for anything other than sculptures. I wouldn't put most of the legendary pieces on my wall unless you paid me. edit: it always tickles me the negative reactions I get when people hear my opinion on art. Doesn't seem to matter how I phrase it, it's always offensive to someone that I can't see the undeniable beauty in popular art. Putting time and effort into something is a prerequisite for me to be in awe, but it does not automatically interest me. Many professional athletes put in far more time and effort into their craft to play a decorative game and I similarly don't care about their mastery of their strictly decorative achievements.
- ethanbond 3y agoFascinating! Well I hope you wind up with your own ideal number of pieces whether that be 0 or 1000 :)
- toolz 3y agoI might already be there at 0, haha! I much prefer decorating my spaces with plants over art. I certainly wouldn't argue plants are objectively better than art, but for me the beauty of even the most common pothos far surpasses the majority of popular art.
- ROTMetro 3y agoI don't get houseplants. Inside they look stark, isolated, completely removed from their element. I love a good garden and outdoor flowers but houseplants seem ridiculous to me even excluding the ongoing maintenance and the inability to just leave home for a few weeks without having to setup someone to water. Why do I want to be physically tied down by my home decor? Or have the quality of my home decor dependant on the quality of my green thumb skills? Give me a Dali on the wall any day that invariably leads to a discussion on what a person sees in the scene.
- toolz 3y agoI also enjoy playing with tech, which automated watering among other cool tech solutions to keeping up with indoor plants is fun for me. Always fun to hear about differing opinions and wonder about how we arrived at our opinions. I can't imagine ever caring what anyone saw in a dali. Having taken an elective art class in college I recall feeling quite uncomfortable having to listen to people who relished the opportunity to hear themselves speak on a subject that has no wrong answers. Personally I have a hard time valuing questions that have no wrong answer. Seems like a polite ritual at best and a waste of time at worst.
- pessimizer 3y agoArt is a financial instrument. The value of art is how much a wealthy person will pay for it. That being said, there are lots of intense and pretty drawings and paintings that obviously took a lot of skill to create. No need to expect inspiration. A lot of the language around "art" is a reflection of the self-regard of the people who own it. > edit: it always tickles me the negative reactions I get when people hear my opinion on art. People want to fit in, it's a survival skill. Public negative opinions about Marvel movies will get you death threats and accusations of trying to destroy companies for the sake of other companies.
- omnicognate 3y agoWhat does Van Gogh have to do with the article? He lived in the wrong century.
- ethanbond 3y agoI am unsure why he was brought up in this thread tbh, but it was many comments above mine
- emodendroket 3y agoI actually love experimental and avant garde works but one problem is it feels like a lot of it is a bit of a dead end. Like 4’33” was an interesting idea once but there’s kind of nowhere you can take that. Once you get past the first presentation it’s not interesting to do a slight variation. Or, you know, Jackson Pollack, neat, but not like I need to see 10 more guys flinging paint at a canvas.
- pxc 3y agoPicasso was a communist and his art was representational. His form of 'modernism' has nothing to do with the kind of actual nonsense that the CIA wanted to push.
- registeredcorn 3y agoAbsolutely, without exception.
- dboreham 3y agoMondrian rules! In my youth I tiled the bathroom in my house in a Mondrian pattern. Mostly white, lowering the cost since white tiles were much cheaper than red yellow and blue.
- mkoubaa 3y agoI certainly do
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- zquzra 3y agoPicasso painted Man in a Beret when he was 14 years old. His art became "nonsense" because realism was boring for him.
- lmm 3y agoLots of programmers get bored of writing simple line-of-business code and find ways to make it more interesting for themselves. It doesn't generally lead to a program that's better for the end user though.
- axioms_End 3y agoThe contra to this nonsense was state-controlled and heavily censored - as much as I like Polish school of poster, or overall "tidyness" of communal spaces in post-communist areas, it was (to say it mildly) stifling creativity.
- shrimpx 3y agoModernism is ubiquitous. Likely your furniture, computers, cars, and home architecture are heavily modernist unless you explicitly seek out classical stuff. Modernism is obsessed with truth and optimization, evolving toward an apex. Computing technology as a whole is modernist. Apple hardware design is a glaring example of a modernist pursuit (especially under Ive).
- chrisco255 3y agoOh boy, any one that thinks their particular art style is "truth" has an ego problem.
- operatingthetan 3y agoYou misunderstood what they said. "Modernism is obsessed with truth and optimization" does not equal "modernism is truth." They were also talking about it conceptually, not as "their" preferred art.
- chrisco255 3y agoI didn't misunderstand. Every art form is someone's truth so it's rather superfluous to say that modernism is obsessed with it.
- operatingthetan 3y agoIs this some defect in abstract thinking? No experience with philosophy? Whatever the case it appears to be bad faith or blatant misunderstanding the basics of a well-worn topic to me especially given how you tried to reframe it as a condemnation.
- krapp 3y agoAnd the most modernist form of art now is AI generated art. Pure form and aesthetic, but no real meaning or intent, like a face in a mirror, something shaped like human meaning but utterly devoid of it, manufactured like so much else of our reality. Which, ironically, makes it legitimately art. It's art because it's anti-art.