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I was expecting to read the text. :(

by soneca 3y ago

ilyt 3y ago
It's vice, any expectation is too high for them
- stronglikedan 3y ago
  Even solvency, apparently.
coldpie 3y ago
Some better information in this article: https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/homenews/23557334.library-scotland-manuscript-first-recording-stand-up-comedy/ https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/homenews/23557334.librar... The manuscript itself seems to be available here: https://digital.nls.uk/early-manuscripts/browse/archive/133680060 https://digital.nls.uk/early-manuscripts/browse/archive/1336... I freely admit I cannot read it :)
- lstamour 3y ago
  Interesting. The table of contents is rewritten in modern cursive, though I can't read everything even there. Contents The Hunttinge of the Hare. A Mock Sermon. ... From there we can flip forward to the actual content and ... yep, can't read it. Honestly the only reason I know it says "huntinge of the hare" centred at the top is because I read it in the table of contents. I can tell it's English, but that's about all I can tell, and that only because I can read some of the words, but not all of them. :) Maybe I can send the image to GPT-4 for transcription and translation. (lol)
  - Izkata 3y ago
    Looks like a Gothic font with spelling differences, I think the first line translated is something like: > (something) tale I will now tell Except the spelling is like: > (something) take y wyll yow tell I can also read what seems to be "me to blame" on the 6th line.
    - jacobolus 3y ago
      Here's the best I can do with the first bit, several edits later: A letyll tale y wyll yow tell y troye hit wyll lyke yow well þat ye shall habe gud game ooooo Bot were(?) it was y dar? not say for appyr.??ly a nod? day hit myght t?ne me to blame ooooooo ?ow take gud hede evrython(?) how a yomon come rydyng alon hafull fayre way he fond ooooooo he lokud be syde hym lyght glydand he fond a hare full fayr syttand a pon a falow lond ooooooooo he markyd wyll wher the fatt þ þkyd to the town as fast as he myght go þ way þen con he ha? ooooooo þ fyrst mon þt he mett wt all was a husbond hyght honkyn of þ hall a gud mon and a twwe(?) oooooooo ... We have letyll = little, wyll = will, troye = trust(?), hit = it, lyke = like, yow = you, habe = have, gud = good, yomon = yeoman, rydyng = riding, lokud = looked, be syde = beside, hym = him, fayr = fair, syttand = seated/sitting, etc. I think the y with dot over is "I", while the þ with a dot is "the" or "thou" etc. I'm not entirely sure what all the abbreviations are supposed to be. * * * Edit: there's apparently a full transcription at http://doi.org/10.1515/angl.2010.009 http://doi.org/10.1515/angl.2010.009 though it's not easy to accurately transcribe something like this so full of abbreviations, old spellings based on old pronunciations, archaic glyphs like ſ and þ, letters like u and v which have since diverged, etc.
      - poglet 3y ago
        Any idea why so many lines end in ooooooo?
        jacobolus 3y ago
        You can look at the manuscript. I don't think it's really supposed to be letters – more like a decorative doodle – but I'm not sure what the deal is: https://digital.nls.uk/early-manuscripts/browse/archive/134161777?mode=fullsize https://digital.nls.uk/early-manuscripts/browse/archive/1341...
        nomel 3y ago
        Perhaps "pause for audience laughter"?
  - alvarezbjm-hn 3y ago
    I think the table of content is modern. It says "rebound in 1964" after all. This is what seems to be the first page of the text https://digital.nls.uk/early-manuscripts/browse/archive/134161777?mode=fullsize https://digital.nls.uk/early-manuscripts/browse/archive/1341... I recognize latin characters in what my classmates called "gothic font" in highschool. But I can't recognize the language.
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    - scrumper 3y ago
      It's definitely English (modulo several centuries of spelling and words that have fallen away). Many words are recognizable but I can't read a whole sentence either - except maybe "But myself tho me to blame". Lots of conventions have changed: you really would need to study and practice to be able to make it through this, but not to the extent of learning a whole other language from scratch.
  - poglet 3y ago
    If you take a screen capture then paste it into google image search then select the text or translate button - it also detects the English characters, but still makes very little sense to me.
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  - IIAOPSW 3y ago
    "What's the deal with Hare Hunting?" funky hurdy gurdy bass line
thedailymail 3y ago
The academic paper has quite a bit more detail. The link to it in the Vice article seems to be broken, but it's available (open access!) on the journal website. https://academic.oup.com/res/advance-article/doi/10.1093/res/hgad053/7187022/ https://academic.oup.com/res/advance-article/doi/10.1093/res...
- nunuvit 3y ago
  Open access analysis and full transcription: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236869902_'The_Hunting_of_the_Hare'_in_the_Heege_Manuscript https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236869902_'The_Hunt...

I was expecting to read the text. :(

by soneca 3y ago

I was expecting to read the text. :(

ilyt 3y ago

It's vice, any expectation is too high for them

stronglikedan 3y ago
Even solvency, apparently.

coldpie 3y ago

Some better information in this article: https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/homenews/23557334.library-scotland-manuscript-first-recording-stand-up-comedy/ https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/homenews/23557334.librar... The manuscript itself seems to be available here: https://digital.nls.uk/early-manuscripts/browse/archive/133680060 https://digital.nls.uk/early-manuscripts/browse/archive/1336... I freely admit I cannot read it :)

lstamour 3y ago
Interesting. The table of contents is rewritten in modern cursive, though I can't read everything even there. Contents The Hunttinge of the Hare. A Mock Sermon. ... From there we can flip forward to the actual content and ... yep, can't read it. Honestly the only reason I know it says "huntinge of the hare" centred at the top is because I read it in the table of contents. I can tell it's English, but that's about all I can tell, and that only because I can read some of the words, but not all of them. :) Maybe I can send the image to GPT-4 for transcription and translation. (lol)
- Izkata 3y ago
  Looks like a Gothic font with spelling differences, I think the first line translated is something like: > (something) tale I will now tell Except the spelling is like: > (something) take y wyll yow tell I can also read what seems to be "me to blame" on the 6th line.
  - jacobolus 3y ago
    Here's the best I can do with the first bit, several edits later: A letyll tale y wyll yow tell y troye hit wyll lyke yow well þat ye shall habe gud game ooooo Bot were(?) it was y dar? not say for appyr.??ly a nod? day hit myght t?ne me to blame ooooooo ?ow take gud hede evrython(?) how a yomon come rydyng alon hafull fayre way he fond ooooooo he lokud be syde hym lyght glydand he fond a hare full fayr syttand a pon a falow lond ooooooooo he markyd wyll wher the fatt þ þkyd to the town as fast as he myght go þ way þen con he ha? ooooooo þ fyrst mon þt he mett wt all was a husbond hyght honkyn of þ hall a gud mon and a twwe(?) oooooooo ... We have letyll = little, wyll = will, troye = trust(?), hit = it, lyke = like, yow = you, habe = have, gud = good, yomon = yeoman, rydyng = riding, lokud = looked, be syde = beside, hym = him, fayr = fair, syttand = seated/sitting, etc. I think the y with dot over is "I", while the þ with a dot is "the" or "thou" etc. I'm not entirely sure what all the abbreviations are supposed to be. * * * Edit: there's apparently a full transcription at http://doi.org/10.1515/angl.2010.009 http://doi.org/10.1515/angl.2010.009 though it's not easy to accurately transcribe something like this so full of abbreviations, old spellings based on old pronunciations, archaic glyphs like ſ and þ, letters like u and v which have since diverged, etc.
    - poglet 3y ago
      Any idea why so many lines end in ooooooo?
      - jacobolus 3y ago
        You can look at the manuscript. I don't think it's really supposed to be letters – more like a decorative doodle – but I'm not sure what the deal is: https://digital.nls.uk/early-manuscripts/browse/archive/134161777?mode=fullsize https://digital.nls.uk/early-manuscripts/browse/archive/1341...
        nomel 3y ago
        Perhaps "pause for audience laughter"?
- alvarezbjm-hn 3y ago
  I think the table of content is modern. It says "rebound in 1964" after all. This is what seems to be the first page of the text https://digital.nls.uk/early-manuscripts/browse/archive/134161777?mode=fullsize https://digital.nls.uk/early-manuscripts/browse/archive/1341... I recognize latin characters in what my classmates called "gothic font" in highschool. But I can't recognize the language.
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  - scrumper 3y ago
    It's definitely English (modulo several centuries of spelling and words that have fallen away). Many words are recognizable but I can't read a whole sentence either - except maybe "But myself tho me to blame". Lots of conventions have changed: you really would need to study and practice to be able to make it through this, but not to the extent of learning a whole other language from scratch.
- poglet 3y ago
  If you take a screen capture then paste it into google image search then select the text or translate button - it also detects the English characters, but still makes very little sense to me.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
- IIAOPSW 3y ago
  "What's the deal with Hare Hunting?" funky hurdy gurdy bass line

thedailymail 3y ago

The academic paper has quite a bit more detail. The link to it in the Vice article seems to be broken, but it's available (open access!) on the journal website. https://academic.oup.com/res/advance-article/doi/10.1093/res/hgad053/7187022/ https://academic.oup.com/res/advance-article/doi/10.1093/res...

nunuvit 3y ago
Open access analysis and full transcription: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236869902_'The_Hunting_of_the_Hare'_in_the_Heege_Manuscript https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236869902_'The_Hunt...