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and it can also be a one-way ticket to schizoville

NickC25 3y ago
When not done under proper set & setting, yeah. If you're around people you trust, in a controlled environment, you're not likely to develop schizophrenia. If you just decide randomly to trip in an unknown environment with people you're not comfortable around, yeah, it's going to be a wild ride and you might not ever truly get off it even after the stuff wears off completely.
- seabird 3y ago
  Things can just go bad, no matter how hard you try. There is always some level of risk involved, especially if you have a family or personal history of mental illness, in which case it's advisable to not fuck with it at all. "Set and setting" doesn't paper over everything.
  - aaomidi 3y ago
    Isn’t this generally the case for everything? Things can go bad in any experience. You can go zip lining and things can go bad. You can go through any experience and can be left with various degrees of physical and mental damage. Does that mean we shouldn’t do anything?
    - BasedAnon 3y ago
      Risks are not created equal.
      - aaomidi 3y ago
        Never implied they are but neither are the rewards.
    - seabird 3y ago
      The risk of psychedelic drugs is more comparable to motorsports, the more involved action sports, heavy equipment operation, etc. and your average person would be very wary of participating in these even though there are plenty of risk mitigations for these activities. I'm not saying you shouldn't do drugs. I'm saying that many of them require way more respect than most people realize they need to give them, and trying to downplay that is not good. I can tell you from personal experience that it's easy to get yourself and people you care about in dangerous places.
      - chrisldgk 3y ago
        Speak for yourself, I’d hop into (and probably crash) a formula 1 car no questions asked
        seabird 3y ago
        I would too, but most people get nervous revving their car past 4k.
        hellotomyrars 3y ago
        To be fair it’s not a good comparison. An F1 car is , all things considered, an incredibly safe place to be in. Certainly safer than your average road car in most circumstances.
      - aaomidi 3y ago
        Then maybe we should focus on the education around this instead of prohibition.
      - NoImmatureAdHom 3y ago
        > The risk of psychedelic drugs is more comparable to motorsports, the more involved action sports, heavy equipment operation, etc. Yeah...I'm going to need to see some numbers to believe that.
- BasedAnon 3y ago
  > When not done under proper set & setting, yeah. Sorry but this is the biggest load of garbage. You can do everything right, and still come away with trauma and psych issues. It's like writing randomly to memory from ring 0 and hoping you don't irreversibly wreck your install.
  - NoImmatureAdHom 3y ago
    > You can do everything right, and still come away with trauma and psych issues Yes, but the question is: how likely are "trauma & psych issues"? How dangerous is the drug in comparison to going out and having six drinks over the course of the night, or (if you do LSD say once a year) a year's worth of drinking? Or, how about in comparison to living somewhere that means you need to drive to work every weekday?
    - BasedAnon 3y ago
      This presumes I think drinking is better, I don't, in fact I would probably argue LSD is a less harmful drug on the whole compared to alcohol.
      - NoImmatureAdHom 3y ago
        Yeah sorry, I don't mean to presume. I just mean that you need to know the magnitude and have comparisons to really have a meaningful opinion.
  - YeGoblynQueenne 3y ago
    "set & setting" is mainly a convenient red herring to switch off any curious inquiry about the risks from psychedelics. It goes like this: -- My friend took drug X and he had an accident! -- Set & setting? In other words, we don't care about your friend and his accident, we're just trying to counter any suggestions that he had an accident because of drug X. It was his fault for choosing the wrong set & setting. Which should tell you all you need to know about the "communities" that form around those substances. People ready to blame each other for whatever happens to them just in case their favourite drug gets a bad name. What a community.
DueDilligence 3y ago
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amanaplanacanal 3y ago
Unfortunately, for people who are predisposed, going away to college or falling in love can also trigger a psychotic break. I don't think we would tell people not to do those things though.
- BasedAnon 3y ago
  This is like equating swimming in the middle of the atlantic with swimming at your local leisure center.
  - maribi 3y ago
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  - NoImmatureAdHom 3y ago
    You can't make a meaningful comparison without numbers, so I'm not sure where you get your confidence. As it happens, my intuition is that your comparison is wrong. I would bet that people who are predisposed to e.g. schizophrenia are, for the most part, going to experience some insult that makes it come on at some point before 30 years old. It's just a question of when, where, what, but it'll happen. I bet the group of people who could develop schizophrenia were they to experience the right insult, but don't, is very small.
    - BasedAnon 3y ago
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        BasedAnon 3y ago
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When not done under proper set & setting, yeah. If you're around people you trust, in a controlled environment, you're not likely to develop schizophrenia. If you just decide randomly to trip in an unknown environment with people you're not comfortable around, yeah, it's going to be a wild ride and you might not ever truly get off it even after the stuff wears off completely.

seabird 3y ago
Things can just go bad, no matter how hard you try. There is always some level of risk involved, especially if you have a family or personal history of mental illness, in which case it's advisable to not fuck with it at all. "Set and setting" doesn't paper over everything.
- aaomidi 3y ago
  Isn’t this generally the case for everything? Things can go bad in any experience. You can go zip lining and things can go bad. You can go through any experience and can be left with various degrees of physical and mental damage. Does that mean we shouldn’t do anything?
  - BasedAnon 3y ago
    Risks are not created equal.
    - aaomidi 3y ago
      Never implied they are but neither are the rewards.
  - seabird 3y ago
    The risk of psychedelic drugs is more comparable to motorsports, the more involved action sports, heavy equipment operation, etc. and your average person would be very wary of participating in these even though there are plenty of risk mitigations for these activities. I'm not saying you shouldn't do drugs. I'm saying that many of them require way more respect than most people realize they need to give them, and trying to downplay that is not good. I can tell you from personal experience that it's easy to get yourself and people you care about in dangerous places.
    - chrisldgk 3y ago
      Speak for yourself, I’d hop into (and probably crash) a formula 1 car no questions asked
      - seabird 3y ago
        I would too, but most people get nervous revving their car past 4k.
      - hellotomyrars 3y ago
        To be fair it’s not a good comparison. An F1 car is , all things considered, an incredibly safe place to be in. Certainly safer than your average road car in most circumstances.
    - aaomidi 3y ago
      Then maybe we should focus on the education around this instead of prohibition.
    - NoImmatureAdHom 3y ago
      > The risk of psychedelic drugs is more comparable to motorsports, the more involved action sports, heavy equipment operation, etc. Yeah...I'm going to need to see some numbers to believe that.
BasedAnon 3y ago
> When not done under proper set & setting, yeah. Sorry but this is the biggest load of garbage. You can do everything right, and still come away with trauma and psych issues. It's like writing randomly to memory from ring 0 and hoping you don't irreversibly wreck your install.
- NoImmatureAdHom 3y ago
  > You can do everything right, and still come away with trauma and psych issues Yes, but the question is: how likely are "trauma & psych issues"? How dangerous is the drug in comparison to going out and having six drinks over the course of the night, or (if you do LSD say once a year) a year's worth of drinking? Or, how about in comparison to living somewhere that means you need to drive to work every weekday?
  - BasedAnon 3y ago
    This presumes I think drinking is better, I don't, in fact I would probably argue LSD is a less harmful drug on the whole compared to alcohol.
    - NoImmatureAdHom 3y ago
      Yeah sorry, I don't mean to presume. I just mean that you need to know the magnitude and have comparisons to really have a meaningful opinion.
- YeGoblynQueenne 3y ago
  "set & setting" is mainly a convenient red herring to switch off any curious inquiry about the risks from psychedelics. It goes like this: -- My friend took drug X and he had an accident! -- Set & setting? In other words, we don't care about your friend and his accident, we're just trying to counter any suggestions that he had an accident because of drug X. It was his fault for choosing the wrong set & setting. Which should tell you all you need to know about the "communities" that form around those substances. People ready to blame each other for whatever happens to them just in case their favourite drug gets a bad name. What a community.

DueDilligence 3y ago

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amanaplanacanal 3y ago

Unfortunately, for people who are predisposed, going away to college or falling in love can also trigger a psychotic break. I don't think we would tell people not to do those things though.

BasedAnon 3y ago
This is like equating swimming in the middle of the atlantic with swimming at your local leisure center.
- maribi 3y ago
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- NoImmatureAdHom 3y ago
  You can't make a meaningful comparison without numbers, so I'm not sure where you get your confidence. As it happens, my intuition is that your comparison is wrong. I would bet that people who are predisposed to e.g. schizophrenia are, for the most part, going to experience some insult that makes it come on at some point before 30 years old. It's just a question of when, where, what, but it'll happen. I bet the group of people who could develop schizophrenia were they to experience the right insult, but don't, is very small.
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