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the game would be abandoned, but almost certainly it would be a 3-0 forfeit win to the opposition. perhaps if 3-0 goal difference was advantageous?

dylan604 3y ago
for those wondering why 3-0, it's based on tournament points scoring. you get 3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, a point for each goal (maximum of 3 points for goals) per game, and an additional point for the shutout. so, each game in tournament scoring is worth 7 points. after all of those points are added, goal differentials can come into consideration for tie breakers.
- smcl 3y ago
  Unless you're talking about some extremely niche tournament, that's not how it works at all, in football at least. In the majority of league systems you get 3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw and that's it. If you are level on points with another team in your group after all games are played then there will be strictly defined rules for that tournament to separate the teams, often a combination of the following in some order of precedence: - head-to-head results between tied teams - total goal difference, i.e. sum(goals_scored) - sum(goals_conceded) across all games - total goals scored across all games - disciplinary record (number of yellow/red cards awarded against players) If teams still cannot be separated, it'll fall back on something as simple and cruel as a coin-toss - though maybe they could go to extra time and penalties if the tied teams are playing each other in the last game. Maybe you're thinking of situations like rugby where you can get a "bonus point" games in group stages by scoring 4 tries or keeping the losing margin down to a handful of points. In any case, I can't give a good reason as to why 3-0 is usually the score given for a walkover - I think it's just generally considered to be a convincing win that isn't too over-the-top.
  - dylan604 3y ago
    Throughout my life, I've been a player, coach, and referee. In each of those roles, I have been in tournaments where this was the way the tournament was scored. Edit: >though maybe they could go to extra time and penalties As a referee, when a tournament is on the last day, it is not uncommon to hear various tournament officials saying within earshot of the refs "we need winners". This is of course a plausible deniability way of saying "be generous with penalties".
    - Denvercoder9 3y ago
      > Throughout my life, I've been a player, coach, and referee. In each of those roles, I have been in tournaments where this was the way the tournament was scored. Where? I've never seen or heard of this scoring system being used in continental Europe (not even in the little kids leagues), and it's also not what's used in the professional tournaments (World Cup, Euros, Copa America, Champions League, etc).
      - LanceH 3y ago
        He's not talking pro leagues, but the kinds of leagues where you make a team and sign up for a weekend tournament. That scoring system is very common.
        smcl 3y ago
        GP mentioned this though: > not even in the little kids leagues It might just be something that is very common somewhere or at some level (dunno where), but it's pretty alien to the pair of us and would be for most/all of continental Europe at the very least.
        LanceH 3y ago
        Come to think of it, I haven't seen it since the 90's -- all in the US. But I haven't played weekend tournaments since then.
        dylan604 3y ago
        Too right. You think if I played, coached, and refereed in a professional league, I'd be spending my time reading HN? ha!
        drowsspa 3y ago
        Is it? I'm Brazilian and I never heard of it.
        3y ago
  - emmelaich 3y ago
    It's absolutely the case for football / soccer "carnivals" in Australia to have modified scoring to ensure a decision. In an individual game, the number of penalty corners is also considered if goals are even. Also (I think) number of offsides.
boosteri 3y ago
Good to get this cleared up. I had 5-0 in the back of my mind .. putting it down to too much SWOS back in the heyday
- permo-w 3y ago
  SWOS?
  - ricardo81 3y ago
    Sensible World of Soccer would be my guess.

dylan604 3y ago

for those wondering why 3-0, it's based on tournament points scoring. you get 3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, a point for each goal (maximum of 3 points for goals) per game, and an additional point for the shutout. so, each game in tournament scoring is worth 7 points. after all of those points are added, goal differentials can come into consideration for tie breakers.

smcl 3y ago
Unless you're talking about some extremely niche tournament, that's not how it works at all, in football at least. In the majority of league systems you get 3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw and that's it. If you are level on points with another team in your group after all games are played then there will be strictly defined rules for that tournament to separate the teams, often a combination of the following in some order of precedence: - head-to-head results between tied teams - total goal difference, i.e. sum(goals_scored) - sum(goals_conceded) across all games - total goals scored across all games - disciplinary record (number of yellow/red cards awarded against players) If teams still cannot be separated, it'll fall back on something as simple and cruel as a coin-toss - though maybe they could go to extra time and penalties if the tied teams are playing each other in the last game. Maybe you're thinking of situations like rugby where you can get a "bonus point" games in group stages by scoring 4 tries or keeping the losing margin down to a handful of points. In any case, I can't give a good reason as to why 3-0 is usually the score given for a walkover - I think it's just generally considered to be a convincing win that isn't too over-the-top.
- dylan604 3y ago
  Throughout my life, I've been a player, coach, and referee. In each of those roles, I have been in tournaments where this was the way the tournament was scored. Edit: >though maybe they could go to extra time and penalties As a referee, when a tournament is on the last day, it is not uncommon to hear various tournament officials saying within earshot of the refs "we need winners". This is of course a plausible deniability way of saying "be generous with penalties".
  - Denvercoder9 3y ago
    > Throughout my life, I've been a player, coach, and referee. In each of those roles, I have been in tournaments where this was the way the tournament was scored. Where? I've never seen or heard of this scoring system being used in continental Europe (not even in the little kids leagues), and it's also not what's used in the professional tournaments (World Cup, Euros, Copa America, Champions League, etc).
    - LanceH 3y ago
      He's not talking pro leagues, but the kinds of leagues where you make a team and sign up for a weekend tournament. That scoring system is very common.
      - smcl 3y ago
        GP mentioned this though: > not even in the little kids leagues It might just be something that is very common somewhere or at some level (dunno where), but it's pretty alien to the pair of us and would be for most/all of continental Europe at the very least.
        LanceH 3y ago
        Come to think of it, I haven't seen it since the 90's -- all in the US. But I haven't played weekend tournaments since then.
      - dylan604 3y ago
        Too right. You think if I played, coached, and refereed in a professional league, I'd be spending my time reading HN? ha!
      - drowsspa 3y ago
        Is it? I'm Brazilian and I never heard of it.
        3y ago
- emmelaich 3y ago
  It's absolutely the case for football / soccer "carnivals" in Australia to have modified scoring to ensure a decision. In an individual game, the number of penalty corners is also considered if goals are even. Also (I think) number of offsides.

boosteri 3y ago

Good to get this cleared up. I had 5-0 in the back of my mind .. putting it down to too much SWOS back in the heyday

permo-w 3y ago
SWOS?
- ricardo81 3y ago
  Sensible World of Soccer would be my guess.