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i spent a month in bali after covid, and the ones i talked to were happy to have tourists back. i heard miserable stories from selling everything, going back to

by tayo42 3y ago

i spent a month in bali after covid, and the ones i talked to were happy to have tourists back. i heard miserable stories from selling everything, going back to farming to survive, personal businesses gone, pets dying because they couldn't take care of them. You cant make generalizations about what people want and don't want. its more complex then that.

witchesindublin 3y ago
South East Asia has been against long term tourists for many years now. They want all the "families" and richer tourists who stay for a few days in expensive hotels that hire lots of local workers.
- bigbillheck 3y ago
  My dad retired to Thailand 20 years ago and until he got too sick to take care of himself had no problems with any of it. (And after he got sick and before he passed, the home we managed to get him placed in helped him get a 'humanitarian exemption' to being deported for visa crimes).
  - witchesindublin 3y ago
    They aren't going to kick out elderly tourists who have been there for years, but it is a new move to encourage wealthier tourists that contribute more to jobs and the wider economy. South East Asia also know that they can't maintain the low cost lifestyle on one hand and help their people become richer on the other hand.
- ilyt 3y ago
  Well, it's no wonder, all the taxes the nomads pay are not paid to them...
arp242 3y ago
I was in Bali during COVID, got there a Oct 2019 and stayed for two years in total. The reasons for this are very much economical: COVID was pretty brutal for a lot of people who make their living off tourism, as you mentioned. For many locals it's very much a love-hate relationship. They love the money it brings in and hate pretty much everything else. As soon as you complain about anything – no matter how justified – there's a very real chance you'll be told to fuck off to your own country. And to be honest I don't blame them either. There really are a whole bunch of right twats in Bali and even I got pretty tired of it quickly. For example the number of white people not wearing a mask in stores etc. was just staggering.
- tayo42 3y ago
  yeah there's a lot to it. Thats why i think people who try to summarize "what the locals think" into a nice one liner should just not comment. it misses to much

by tayo42 3y ago

witchesindublin 3y ago

South East Asia has been against long term tourists for many years now. They want all the "families" and richer tourists who stay for a few days in expensive hotels that hire lots of local workers.

bigbillheck 3y ago
My dad retired to Thailand 20 years ago and until he got too sick to take care of himself had no problems with any of it. (And after he got sick and before he passed, the home we managed to get him placed in helped him get a 'humanitarian exemption' to being deported for visa crimes).
- witchesindublin 3y ago
  They aren't going to kick out elderly tourists who have been there for years, but it is a new move to encourage wealthier tourists that contribute more to jobs and the wider economy. South East Asia also know that they can't maintain the low cost lifestyle on one hand and help their people become richer on the other hand.
ilyt 3y ago
Well, it's no wonder, all the taxes the nomads pay are not paid to them...

arp242 3y ago

I was in Bali during COVID, got there a Oct 2019 and stayed for two years in total. The reasons for this are very much economical: COVID was pretty brutal for a lot of people who make their living off tourism, as you mentioned. For many locals it's very much a love-hate relationship. They love the money it brings in and hate pretty much everything else. As soon as you complain about anything – no matter how justified – there's a very real chance you'll be told to fuck off to your own country. And to be honest I don't blame them either. There really are a whole bunch of right twats in Bali and even I got pretty tired of it quickly. For example the number of white people not wearing a mask in stores etc. was just staggering.

tayo42 3y ago
yeah there's a lot to it. Thats why i think people who try to summarize "what the locals think" into a nice one liner should just not comment. it misses to much