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If you're predisposed to schizophrenia, pure bi-polar or other mental health issues you probably shouldn't be tripping balls on LSD (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih

by pookha 3y ago

If you're predisposed to schizophrenia, pure bi-polar or other mental health issues you probably shouldn't be tripping balls on LSD (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6870484/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6870484/) or taking THC at high levels (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2424288/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2424288/). Seems to be a major risk.

hellotomyrars 3y ago
I am bipolar and can not tolerate these substances. It is very bad for me. I’m happy to let people enjoy them but it is not something I can do. It does bother me when people say that they’re all harmless with no problems though. As with all things there are adverse reactions and it’s irresponsible to claim otherwise. I don’t advocate prohibition to be clear, just actual truth and honesty.
Spivak 3y ago
Also there is a (small) risk that you can't really check for in advance that lsd will just give you tinnitus, ask me how I know. I'm told it might go away in about a year.
NoImmatureAdHom 3y ago
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6870484/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6870484/ doesn't make your argument. It's a sample of people who were admitted to the hospital for "LSD psychosis" compared to people who were admitted for a first schizoid break. They conclude that there are a lot of similarities. What you really want to know is: the probability of a schizoid break given you have a predisposition P(break|predisposition), the probability of a break given LSD use P(break|LSD, predisposition), the prevalence of predisposition to schizophrenia P(break), or P(break|human). And maybe P(break|LSD), too, for kicks (probability non-predisposed person gets a schizoid break given taking LSD). With those pieces you can come to some sort of reasonable conclusion about the risk. The paper tells you very little to nothing about it since the samples don't tell you anything about the population. It's like a mechanic concluding Toyotas all need work because all the ones he sees need work.

by pookha 3y ago

hellotomyrars 3y ago

I am bipolar and can not tolerate these substances. It is very bad for me. I’m happy to let people enjoy them but it is not something I can do. It does bother me when people say that they’re all harmless with no problems though. As with all things there are adverse reactions and it’s irresponsible to claim otherwise. I don’t advocate prohibition to be clear, just actual truth and honesty.

Spivak 3y ago

Also there is a (small) risk that you can't really check for in advance that lsd will just give you tinnitus, ask me how I know. I'm told it might go away in about a year.

NoImmatureAdHom 3y ago

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6870484/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6870484/ doesn't make your argument. It's a sample of people who were admitted to the hospital for "LSD psychosis" compared to people who were admitted for a first schizoid break. They conclude that there are a lot of similarities. What you really want to know is: the probability of a schizoid break given you have a predisposition P(break|predisposition), the probability of a break given LSD use P(break|LSD, predisposition), the prevalence of predisposition to schizophrenia P(break), or P(break|human). And maybe P(break|LSD), too, for kicks (probability non-predisposed person gets a schizoid break given taking LSD). With those pieces you can come to some sort of reasonable conclusion about the risk. The paper tells you very little to nothing about it since the samples don't tell you anything about the population. It's like a mechanic concluding Toyotas all need work because all the ones he sees need work.