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Maybe they should have first checked with the other kind of Indians what it is like to live under the rule of Britain? :D

hoofhearted 3y ago
They referred to them as Indians because they resembled the people they had seen in India before.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  > They referred to them as Indians because they resembled the people they had seen in India before. No. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Tribal-Nomenclature-American-Indian-Native-American-and-First-Nation-1386025 https://www.britannica.com/topic/Tribal-Nomenclature-America... "The word Indian came to be used because Christopher Columbus repeatedly expressed the mistaken belief that he had reached the shores of South Asia. "
- dreamcompiler 3y ago
  They referred to them as Indians because Christopher Columbus was a lousy navigator.
  - midasuni 3y ago
    Everyone knew the world was round in the 15th century. They had a good idea how far it was from Europe to the east coast of Asia going westwards. They knew that an ocean going ship wouldn’t have enough provisions to make the journey. Columbus thought the earth was far smaller and he would be able to make it. He was wrong. Fortunatly for him there was a large landmass in the way which meant he could get restock his provisions (water, food etc)
jrochkind1 3y ago
That was still in formation in 1812, but, yeah, I don't have any particular reason to think the native nations would have done better with a different outcome of the war of 1812, but I certainly understand why some nations figured it was worth a shot and they probably wouldn't do worse. Anyway, I still don't want to advertise war on my license plate.
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  The natives in Canada probably didn't do much better in Canada between the war of 1812 and the Riel Rebellion, but it certainly helps now. British law said we couldn't settle the land without a treaty with the natives. This didn't really stop settlement but it does mean that some tribes have forced significant monetary settlements from the Canadian government. Some money for broken treaties, and some for settling without a treaty.
  - jrochkind1 3y ago
    Good point. Canada just being generally a lot less populated by Europeans for whatever reasons than the USA (presumably in large part climate?) probably helped too, creating a context with slightly better outcomes. But different legal regime under Great Britain -- and different position as colony of a European state vs independent "we're all we've got" -- does seem likely to be relevant, good call. I suppose the best case for native nations in the War of 1812 would be that both USA and Great Britain get weakened and distracted from further colonization for as long as possible.

hoofhearted 3y ago

They referred to them as Indians because they resembled the people they had seen in India before.

jacquesm 3y ago
> They referred to them as Indians because they resembled the people they had seen in India before. No. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Tribal-Nomenclature-American-Indian-Native-American-and-First-Nation-1386025 https://www.britannica.com/topic/Tribal-Nomenclature-America... "The word Indian came to be used because Christopher Columbus repeatedly expressed the mistaken belief that he had reached the shores of South Asia. "
dreamcompiler 3y ago
They referred to them as Indians because Christopher Columbus was a lousy navigator.
- midasuni 3y ago
  Everyone knew the world was round in the 15th century. They had a good idea how far it was from Europe to the east coast of Asia going westwards. They knew that an ocean going ship wouldn’t have enough provisions to make the journey. Columbus thought the earth was far smaller and he would be able to make it. He was wrong. Fortunatly for him there was a large landmass in the way which meant he could get restock his provisions (water, food etc)

jrochkind1 3y ago

That was still in formation in 1812, but, yeah, I don't have any particular reason to think the native nations would have done better with a different outcome of the war of 1812, but I certainly understand why some nations figured it was worth a shot and they probably wouldn't do worse. Anyway, I still don't want to advertise war on my license plate.

bryanlarsen 3y ago
The natives in Canada probably didn't do much better in Canada between the war of 1812 and the Riel Rebellion, but it certainly helps now. British law said we couldn't settle the land without a treaty with the natives. This didn't really stop settlement but it does mean that some tribes have forced significant monetary settlements from the Canadian government. Some money for broken treaties, and some for settling without a treaty.
- jrochkind1 3y ago
  Good point. Canada just being generally a lot less populated by Europeans for whatever reasons than the USA (presumably in large part climate?) probably helped too, creating a context with slightly better outcomes. But different legal regime under Great Britain -- and different position as colony of a European state vs independent "we're all we've got" -- does seem likely to be relevant, good call. I suppose the best case for native nations in the War of 1812 would be that both USA and Great Britain get weakened and distracted from further colonization for as long as possible.