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I agree with what you say, but Nazis didn't conquer Poland. Germany did. Word Nazi was invented in 1980s. There were no Nazi soldiers speaking Nazi language fro

by slaw 3y ago

I agree with what you say, but Nazis didn't conquer Poland. Germany did. Word Nazi was invented in 1980s. There were no Nazi soldiers speaking Nazi language from Nazi country conquering Poland.

arp242 3y ago
Aside from being wrong, this is also exceedingly pedantic. Even if it was correct (which it's not) everyone understands "Nazi" means "Germany under control of the NSDAP". "After the NSDAP's rise to power in the 1930s, the use of the term "Nazi" by itself or in terms such as "Nazi Germany", "Nazi regime", and so on was popularised by German exiles outside the country, but not in Germany. From them, the term spread into other languages and it was eventually brought back into Germany after World War II. The NSDAP briefly adopted the designation "Nazi" in an attempt to reappropriate the term, but it soon gave up this effort and generally avoided using the term while it was in power." Peak usage: 1940s: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=nazi%2Cnsdap&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=nazi%2Cnsdap&y... Letters using "Nazi" in 1933: "I was in Hanover about two years ago, just when the Nazi movement was gaining strength" https://www.theguardian.com/world/1933/apr/01/secondworldwar.thefarright https://www.theguardian.com/world/1933/apr/01/secondworldwar...
- slaw 3y ago
  Everyone today understands "Nazi". During the WW2 it was almost completely not used. It was reinvented and popularized later in the 1980s. See for example wiki article Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact [0]. It says it was between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. While in the actual Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact[1] there is no mention of any mythical Nazis, even the title says Nichtangriffsvertrag zwischen Deutschland und der Union der Sozialistischen Sowjetrepubliken, 23. August 1939 [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac... [1] https://www.1000dokumente.de/index.html?c=dokument_de&dokument=0025_pak&object=facsimile&pimage=1&v=100&nav=&l=de https://www.1000dokumente.de/index.html?c=dokument_de&dokume...
  - arp242 3y ago
    > During the WW2 it was almost completely not used. I literally showed you a bunch of letters from 1933 which used the word in several of them and a Google ngram which showed the peak of popularity in the 1940s. Here you can hear Churchill use it in 1939: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWqf4wxam14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWqf4wxam14 > mythical Nazis Nazis were not mythical creatures. They were very real, whatever name you decide to use.

by slaw 3y ago

I agree with what you say, but Nazis didn't conquer Poland. Germany did. Word Nazi was invented in 1980s. There were no Nazi soldiers speaking Nazi language from Nazi country conquering Poland.

arp242 3y ago

Aside from being wrong, this is also exceedingly pedantic. Even if it was correct (which it's not) everyone understands "Nazi" means "Germany under control of the NSDAP". "After the NSDAP's rise to power in the 1930s, the use of the term "Nazi" by itself or in terms such as "Nazi Germany", "Nazi regime", and so on was popularised by German exiles outside the country, but not in Germany. From them, the term spread into other languages and it was eventually brought back into Germany after World War II. The NSDAP briefly adopted the designation "Nazi" in an attempt to reappropriate the term, but it soon gave up this effort and generally avoided using the term while it was in power." Peak usage: 1940s: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=nazi%2Cnsdap&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=nazi%2Cnsdap&y... Letters using "Nazi" in 1933: "I was in Hanover about two years ago, just when the Nazi movement was gaining strength" https://www.theguardian.com/world/1933/apr/01/secondworldwar.thefarright https://www.theguardian.com/world/1933/apr/01/secondworldwar...

slaw 3y ago
Everyone today understands "Nazi". During the WW2 it was almost completely not used. It was reinvented and popularized later in the 1980s. See for example wiki article Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact [0]. It says it was between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. While in the actual Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact[1] there is no mention of any mythical Nazis, even the title says Nichtangriffsvertrag zwischen Deutschland und der Union der Sozialistischen Sowjetrepubliken, 23. August 1939 [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac... [1] https://www.1000dokumente.de/index.html?c=dokument_de&dokument=0025_pak&object=facsimile&pimage=1&v=100&nav=&l=de https://www.1000dokumente.de/index.html?c=dokument_de&dokume...
- arp242 3y ago
  > During the WW2 it was almost completely not used. I literally showed you a bunch of letters from 1933 which used the word in several of them and a Google ngram which showed the peak of popularity in the 1940s. Here you can hear Churchill use it in 1939: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWqf4wxam14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWqf4wxam14 > mythical Nazis Nazis were not mythical creatures. They were very real, whatever name you decide to use.