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The Japanese article does explicitly state it if you run it through a translator, and also this is from May 11 > Additionally, the group raised other issues th

The Japanese article does explicitly state it if you run it through a translator, and also this is from May 11 > Additionally, the group raised other issues that Article 30-4 of the Copyright Law, which permits the use of a copyrighted work for machine learning, does not include procedures for gaining permission in advance from copyright holders. The article permits the use of copyrighted material such as text and images to train AI, regardless of whether the model is for commercial use. Under the current law, it is legal to train AI with copyrighted material even if the data was obtained illegally. The article contains a provision stating that such material cannot be used if it would “unreasonably prejudice the interests of the copyright owner,” but there are only limited examples provided to describe the “unreasonable prejudice.” https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=d8b4ba7d-a764-4acd-adca-1b72a2f1aaa0 https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=d8b4ba7d-a764... Right now, Japanese copyright doesn't apply to training models. Could change in the future but the article isn't inaccurate.

nologic01 3y ago
How does the "Japan’s government will not enforce copyrights" message of the article square with your own source (thanx btw :-) > It will be suggested that the current Japanese Copyright Law will be reviewed based on the upcoming technologies and be revised to adjust to correctly protect the right holders and navigate future users of the AI and new technologies like AI
- cthalupa 3y ago
  My reading is that people are suggesting that the copyright law be reviewed and changed, not that lawmakers are suggesting that they will change it. Lots of people are suggesting that the US and other western countries change the law as well, but we have yet to see much come from it. The general message seems to be that 'Under current laws Japan's government can't enforce copyright on training data', and I don't believe the line you're quoting changes that message in any significant way at current.
- dooraven 3y ago
  Well they have to follow the current law right? Can't enforce copyright on something that doesn't apply, so currently saying they won't enforce copyright is an accurate statement. I don't think it will hold up in the long term though and the Copyright Act will get changed but right now it doesn't apply to training models.
Laaas 3y ago
From what I think is the original source: > まずＡＩによる情報解析についての我が国の法制度（著作権法）について確認したところ、我が国において、非営利目的であろうと、営利目的であろうと、複製以外の行為であろうと、違法サイトなどから取得したコンテンツであろうと、方法を問わず情報解析のための作品利用はできると永岡大臣が明言しました。 > Confirming the legal system (copyright law) wrt. data analysis by AI in our country, Minister Nagaoka clearly stated that in our country, whether for non-profit purposes or for profit purposes, whether an act other than reproduction, or whether the content is obtained from illegal sites, one can use works for information analysis regardless of the method. (translated with ChatGPT-4 and then cleaned up) The source is the one from the article: https://go2senkyo.com/seijika/122181/posts/685617 https://go2senkyo.com/seijika/122181/posts/685617
- jacooper 3y ago
  Well, its time to use the many software source leaks out here to create an even more powerful copilot.

nologic01 3y ago

How does the "Japan’s government will not enforce copyrights" message of the article square with your own source (thanx btw :-) > It will be suggested that the current Japanese Copyright Law will be reviewed based on the upcoming technologies and be revised to adjust to correctly protect the right holders and navigate future users of the AI and new technologies like AI

cthalupa 3y ago
My reading is that people are suggesting that the copyright law be reviewed and changed, not that lawmakers are suggesting that they will change it. Lots of people are suggesting that the US and other western countries change the law as well, but we have yet to see much come from it. The general message seems to be that 'Under current laws Japan's government can't enforce copyright on training data', and I don't believe the line you're quoting changes that message in any significant way at current.
dooraven 3y ago
Well they have to follow the current law right? Can't enforce copyright on something that doesn't apply, so currently saying they won't enforce copyright is an accurate statement. I don't think it will hold up in the long term though and the Copyright Act will get changed but right now it doesn't apply to training models.

Laaas 3y ago

From what I think is the original source: > まずＡＩによる情報解析についての我が国の法制度（著作権法）について確認したところ、我が国において、非営利目的であろうと、営利目的であろうと、複製以外の行為であろうと、違法サイトなどから取得したコンテンツであろうと、方法を問わず情報解析のための作品利用はできると永岡大臣が明言しました。 > Confirming the legal system (copyright law) wrt. data analysis by AI in our country, Minister Nagaoka clearly stated that in our country, whether for non-profit purposes or for profit purposes, whether an act other than reproduction, or whether the content is obtained from illegal sites, one can use works for information analysis regardless of the method. (translated with ChatGPT-4 and then cleaned up) The source is the one from the article: https://go2senkyo.com/seijika/122181/posts/685617 https://go2senkyo.com/seijika/122181/posts/685617

jacooper 3y ago
Well, its time to use the many software source leaks out here to create an even more powerful copilot.