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The New York Times’ Elizabeth Holmes Profile Is Causing Drama in the Newsroom

16 points by jacooper 3y ago

ftxbro 3y ago
the media has closed the loop they are writing about each other
- cafard 3y ago
  About twenty years ago, The Washington Post had "media critic". One could occasionally read in his column what the New York Times had said about an article in The Washington Post. I'm not sure whether the recursion was ever carried farther than than. But it has been going on for a long time. And if you count entertainment, it's worse. The space given to the show Succession this past week in the metropolitan papers probably would hold a small-town newspaper's weekday edition.
mduggles 3y ago
It was a super weird piece. I find it bizarre that defrauding investors is constantly mentioned as the crime we’re supposed to care about. While I understand that was the conviction, the real crime that people should be angry about is how far this got without anyone intervening. This was a device that never worked, seemingly could never work, being used to test people and deliver medical findings that would impact their entire lives. At no point in the process did any investor or anyone in a leadership position say “let’s get this independently tested”. A person had invented a titanic shift in medical testing after two semesters of education on the topic. She committed fraud and it’s weird to have a piece where we’re asked to feel bad for her right before she goes to jail. But the part I think that is missed is she never should have been able to get as far as she did. It’s a demonstration of a problem in tech that has plagued us for years which is we buy the hype and don’t fact check.
- ftxbro 3y ago
  > "the part I think that is missed is she never should have been able to get as far as she did." fake it 'til you make it, if they stopped people early then they would never get those companies like uber or airbnb or whatever disruptive companies probably even ones that ycombinator likes
  - jtode 3y ago
    Cause where would be we without them

16 points by jacooper 3y ago

ftxbro 3y ago

the media has closed the loop they are writing about each other

cafard 3y ago
About twenty years ago, The Washington Post had "media critic". One could occasionally read in his column what the New York Times had said about an article in The Washington Post. I'm not sure whether the recursion was ever carried farther than than. But it has been going on for a long time. And if you count entertainment, it's worse. The space given to the show Succession this past week in the metropolitan papers probably would hold a small-town newspaper's weekday edition.

mduggles 3y ago

It was a super weird piece. I find it bizarre that defrauding investors is constantly mentioned as the crime we’re supposed to care about. While I understand that was the conviction, the real crime that people should be angry about is how far this got without anyone intervening. This was a device that never worked, seemingly could never work, being used to test people and deliver medical findings that would impact their entire lives. At no point in the process did any investor or anyone in a leadership position say “let’s get this independently tested”. A person had invented a titanic shift in medical testing after two semesters of education on the topic. She committed fraud and it’s weird to have a piece where we’re asked to feel bad for her right before she goes to jail. But the part I think that is missed is she never should have been able to get as far as she did. It’s a demonstration of a problem in tech that has plagued us for years which is we buy the hype and don’t fact check.

ftxbro 3y ago
> "the part I think that is missed is she never should have been able to get as far as she did." fake it 'til you make it, if they stopped people early then they would never get those companies like uber or airbnb or whatever disruptive companies probably even ones that ycombinator likes
- jtode 3y ago
  Cause where would be we without them