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That's part of why I'm interested in their motivation changing licenses. They obviously had a profit motive and a model that centered on collecting rents on the

That's part of why I'm interested in their motivation changing licenses. They obviously had a profit motive and a model that centered on collecting rents on the model and decided to back off from it. Will they keep maintaining their code and improving the models and continue releasing everything under Apache 2.0? I'm just saying I feel like we got a glimpse of what they're about and it wasn't pretty, so why build around them when there are lots of options.

brucethemoose2 3y ago
They dont need to do squat. Look at Stable Diffusion 1.5 and LLaMA: They are thriving, but the original implementations are ancient history, and Meta/StabilityAI/RunawayML have done precisely nothing. And to be blunt, their legality is very ugly, which already makes Falcon more attractive.
- version_five 3y ago
  Very good point, if a community builds up around it, that would make it much more attractive. So chicken / egg in a way. I can definitely see that happening.
  - brucethemoose2 3y ago
    Yeah. TBH the biggest hurdle is that Falcon is a different architecture, so the existing tooling won't "just work." A drop in LLaMA or RWKV replacement has a better chance of catching on, even if it leaves some architecture improvements on the table.
- convexstrictly 3y ago
  Agree. The Stable Diffusion Open RAIL M license: "You agree not to use the Model or Derivatives of the Model ... To defame, disparage or otherwise harass others" Does "disparage" have a settled meaning in law? Is a parody disparaging? https://github.com/CompVis/stable-diffusion/blob/main/LICENSE https://github.com/CompVis/stable-diffusion/blob/main/LICENS...
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > Look at Stable Diffusion 1.5 and LLaMA: They are thriving, but the original implementations are ancient history, and Meta/StabilityAI/RunawayML have done precisely nothing. I mean, that’s true of SD 1.5 in the sense that what the original creators have done since is new versions (SD 2.0, 2.1, and currently SDXL, which is apparent another SD2-architecture model, and DeepFloyd.) 2.1 has also seen some community uptake, and XL likely will once it is released unless there’s something inhibiting that. DF seems to be slowed by different architecture and high resource cost, but I’ve seen posts about people integrating the DeepFloyd early stage models with other models from the SD ecosystem for the last stage upscaling and final rendering, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see it integrated in some of the community UIs as both an integrated workflow and with access to the individual models for mix-and-match workflows.
  - brucethemoose2 3y ago
    I dunno. Theres some experimentation with 2.1, but the consensus seems to be that it produces inferior output to 1.5 outside of some niches, and thats before taking the 768x768 1.5 finetunes into account. Deepfloyd is niche. SDXL is indeed interesting, especially if its happy with 4/8 bit quant... we will see about that. Nevertheless StabilityAI seems kinda disconnected from all the innovations going on in the community compared to, say, huggingface.
    - janekm 3y ago
      It's a faulty consensus that came from people comparing outputs from the base model with fine tunes of the SD1.5 model. SD2.1 actually is a far superior model once fine-tuned. I agree that it's a shame that StabilityAI seem to struggle so much to actually leverage their community (ideally with much more open development)... One could say they're a little too "full of themselves" and think they know better than everyone else.

brucethemoose2 3y ago

They dont need to do squat. Look at Stable Diffusion 1.5 and LLaMA: They are thriving, but the original implementations are ancient history, and Meta/StabilityAI/RunawayML have done precisely nothing. And to be blunt, their legality is very ugly, which already makes Falcon more attractive.

version_five 3y ago
Very good point, if a community builds up around it, that would make it much more attractive. So chicken / egg in a way. I can definitely see that happening.
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  Yeah. TBH the biggest hurdle is that Falcon is a different architecture, so the existing tooling won't "just work." A drop in LLaMA or RWKV replacement has a better chance of catching on, even if it leaves some architecture improvements on the table.
convexstrictly 3y ago
Agree. The Stable Diffusion Open RAIL M license: "You agree not to use the Model or Derivatives of the Model ... To defame, disparage or otherwise harass others" Does "disparage" have a settled meaning in law? Is a parody disparaging? https://github.com/CompVis/stable-diffusion/blob/main/LICENSE https://github.com/CompVis/stable-diffusion/blob/main/LICENS...
dragonwriter 3y ago
> Look at Stable Diffusion 1.5 and LLaMA: They are thriving, but the original implementations are ancient history, and Meta/StabilityAI/RunawayML have done precisely nothing. I mean, that’s true of SD 1.5 in the sense that what the original creators have done since is new versions (SD 2.0, 2.1, and currently SDXL, which is apparent another SD2-architecture model, and DeepFloyd.) 2.1 has also seen some community uptake, and XL likely will once it is released unless there’s something inhibiting that. DF seems to be slowed by different architecture and high resource cost, but I’ve seen posts about people integrating the DeepFloyd early stage models with other models from the SD ecosystem for the last stage upscaling and final rendering, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see it integrated in some of the community UIs as both an integrated workflow and with access to the individual models for mix-and-match workflows.
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  I dunno. Theres some experimentation with 2.1, but the consensus seems to be that it produces inferior output to 1.5 outside of some niches, and thats before taking the 768x768 1.5 finetunes into account. Deepfloyd is niche. SDXL is indeed interesting, especially if its happy with 4/8 bit quant... we will see about that. Nevertheless StabilityAI seems kinda disconnected from all the innovations going on in the community compared to, say, huggingface.
  - janekm 3y ago
    It's a faulty consensus that came from people comparing outputs from the base model with fine tunes of the SD1.5 model. SD2.1 actually is a far superior model once fine-tuned. I agree that it's a shame that StabilityAI seem to struggle so much to actually leverage their community (ideally with much more open development)... One could say they're a little too "full of themselves" and think they know better than everyone else.