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> As long as companies want us to be able to see their content, there will be ways to extract it without the DRM gunk. But it is a federal felony to employ tho

> As long as companies want us to be able to see their content, there will be ways to extract it without the DRM gunk. But it is a federal felony to employ those ways to extract it without the DRM gunk. That's the point of the DMCA: where DRM mechanisms fail, the law kicks in. It's kinda like gun control. Gun control is a good idea not because it prevents a sufficiently motivated person from obtaining or making a gun, but because it vastly reduces the market for gun buyers and helps solve the "gun availability problem": mass shootings happen because there are so many guns around it isn't hard for a crazy person to get their hands on one. The Sandy Hook shooter used his mother's legally purchased rifle. If piracy tools are extra super illegal, and people start visibly going to jail for making, using, or distributing them, then that adds friction to the act of piracy that will make simply paying for the product the easier option. That's why anticircumvention laws exist.

ipaddr 3y ago
That's a US law but cracking is global. The high profile jail / make an example route was taken in the 80s, 90s and early 2000. That made anyone technical see the absurdities of the policy and created sympathy that allowed piracy to grow.
- _23sd 3y ago
  Anti-circumvention laws are pretty global. It is part of the WIPO Copyright Treaty, which has been implemented in most major economies.
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    Depends on enforcement and extradition. A lot of pirate video streaming sites such as Fmovies are based out of Vietnam for example, which has no extradition treaty to the US and there appears to be some tacit approval from local political actors.
    - _23sd 3y ago
      Sites that stream movies have nothing to do with anti-circumvention laws as they’re not breaking those laws. They are just breaking regular copyright laws.
than3 3y ago
> mass shootings happen because ... Unfortunately with regard to that point, you are naively mistaken, mass shootings happen because we as a people enforce gun-free zones and these extreme and malign individuals target those zones for the highest possible casualty count. Some of those shooters who were caught alive have admitted this. When you have gun-free zones you have an area the shooter knows people will have no means of shooting back. There is plenty of propaganda to the contrary, but that is all it is; propaganda. When was the last time you heard in the media all the times someone tried to do a mass shooting but died because someone nearby with a gun stopped them after the first person was shot. It rarely merits coverage. The news doesn't even merit coverage most times aside from local coverage, but when a lot of people die its national, and pushing a gun control narrative. Why don't they want people to have guns? People with guns don't give up their liberty when tyrants and fascists try to tell them otherwise and take it, that is a core part of our American History. Also we have a right to own and bear firearms that's written into the constitution. Do I need to tell you what upholding and enforcing laws that have no legal authority basis engenders for the system as a whole? It certainly would not be a democracy which follows the rule of law. There are ways to get it done so it would comply with the rule of law, if people truly wanted that, but it requires constitutional amendments which frankly haven't happened and won't happen so long as there exists an educated and knowledgeable population that values their history. FWIW, I think you need to learn more about your history and how to recognize propaganda to correct those deficiencies, otherwise you are just adding to harmful noise in a very Unamerican way.
- t0bia_s 3y ago
  -> People with guns don't give up their liberty when tyrants and fascists try to tell them... If you hold a gun as a protection against your gonverment, something is seriously wrong.
  - than3 3y ago
    > something is seriously wrong Not at all, this is just the way things are, and if you studied history correctly you'd realize this and be educated enough to rationally think about these things instead of repeating a common indoctrinated response. Unfortunately most people who have attended compulsory k-12 education are fighting against some level of indoctrination whether they know it or not. There are numerous factors designed to rob people of their reason and its a rare individual who overcomes this. Systems work either because of the distribution of labor, or corruption, that enables them to overcome friction and enact change in a productive direction. In centralized systems, the distribution of labor is not effective because you are not free to build those systems from the ground up (decentralized). Its top-down and concentrated. The people in these systems do not do this for free, they seek benefits as does anyone in a distribution of labor, and this is oft referred to as corruption since it is working outside the defined top-down system's provided benefits. People over time are almost always incapable of limiting themselves when they are raised above others, there's a biological component which affects dopamine related to heirarchy. Its the same in lobsters, which is why some anti-depressants actually work on lobsters. Power increases heirarchy, affecting dopamine levels, you run into the same issues of those at the top always striving for more; and it never being enough. In this particular context seeking more power than has been granted is a problem. Over sufficient lengths of time, governments become corrupt. They start passing laws with no legal basis, and use their power to compulse, coerce, and increase their power and control through enforcing these laws which they had no authority to pass in the first place. There are many written accounts of this, some of the most famous being Thomas Paine who described the destruction of the Bastille and the French Revolution. This is the natural lifecycle of government. When governments are unable to correct issues internally, they devolve into fascism. When facing fascists, they will take whatever they can; as determined by the people with pull until people stop them; the cycle starts over, generations forget, hubris sets in; and it repeats. The only thing stopping them is your ability to defend yourself and your property making the cost more than the benefit. Its why this was written into the constitution. Its happened many times in recorded history. It almost always starts with corruption by dependency. Making the majority of people or a population completely dependent upon the system for survival. It often creates a problem and then utilizes tactics that the only reason something couldn't be fixed is because their power isn't enough which is plausible; but its never enough and neglects the origin of the problem. History is full of examples where people have lied to gain more power. Slow small corruptions over time that build into larger and larger corruptions, finally to laws without a legal basis of authority that can be applied arbitrarily to anyone the leaders or their delegates choose. People living through these times normalize this behavior because they have no choice. Its a psychological coping mechanism. Eventually a destabilization event occurs breaking any dependencies for authority and you have fascism/authoritarianism, such as what happened in Germany starting with the Reichstag Fire (1933) that ultimately paved the way for WW2. Timothy Snyder did a series of videos on Tyranny. You may find these interesting as a starting point for further self-directed education as he is a credible source, being a Yale Historian with background in the Holocaust and more recent history. Most of what we are taught in school is incomplete in an intentional way, and misleads towards wrong viewpoints because we weren't provided all the appropriate information, nor were we biologically developed enough or trained to think critically and rationally. Much is taught by rote prior to the age of reason and students conditioned for boredom as was done in the original compulsory education our education system was based off which originally came from Prussia to train obedient patriotic unthinking soldiers. Our system is designed to train obedient workers. Critical thought is not what its designed to teach, they only teach what promotes an obedient worker which is why they don't teach you about money or other things that would help you be successful, success outcomes are only a secondary objective and that is a structured design.

ipaddr 3y ago

That's a US law but cracking is global. The high profile jail / make an example route was taken in the 80s, 90s and early 2000. That made anyone technical see the absurdities of the policy and created sympathy that allowed piracy to grow.

_23sd 3y ago
Anti-circumvention laws are pretty global. It is part of the WIPO Copyright Treaty, which has been implemented in most major economies.
- alephnerd 3y ago
  Depends on enforcement and extradition. A lot of pirate video streaming sites such as Fmovies are based out of Vietnam for example, which has no extradition treaty to the US and there appears to be some tacit approval from local political actors.
  - _23sd 3y ago
    Sites that stream movies have nothing to do with anti-circumvention laws as they’re not breaking those laws. They are just breaking regular copyright laws.

than3 3y ago

> mass shootings happen because ... Unfortunately with regard to that point, you are naively mistaken, mass shootings happen because we as a people enforce gun-free zones and these extreme and malign individuals target those zones for the highest possible casualty count. Some of those shooters who were caught alive have admitted this. When you have gun-free zones you have an area the shooter knows people will have no means of shooting back. There is plenty of propaganda to the contrary, but that is all it is; propaganda. When was the last time you heard in the media all the times someone tried to do a mass shooting but died because someone nearby with a gun stopped them after the first person was shot. It rarely merits coverage. The news doesn't even merit coverage most times aside from local coverage, but when a lot of people die its national, and pushing a gun control narrative. Why don't they want people to have guns? People with guns don't give up their liberty when tyrants and fascists try to tell them otherwise and take it, that is a core part of our American History. Also we have a right to own and bear firearms that's written into the constitution. Do I need to tell you what upholding and enforcing laws that have no legal authority basis engenders for the system as a whole? It certainly would not be a democracy which follows the rule of law. There are ways to get it done so it would comply with the rule of law, if people truly wanted that, but it requires constitutional amendments which frankly haven't happened and won't happen so long as there exists an educated and knowledgeable population that values their history. FWIW, I think you need to learn more about your history and how to recognize propaganda to correct those deficiencies, otherwise you are just adding to harmful noise in a very Unamerican way.

t0bia_s 3y ago
-> People with guns don't give up their liberty when tyrants and fascists try to tell them... If you hold a gun as a protection against your gonverment, something is seriously wrong.
- than3 3y ago
  > something is seriously wrong Not at all, this is just the way things are, and if you studied history correctly you'd realize this and be educated enough to rationally think about these things instead of repeating a common indoctrinated response. Unfortunately most people who have attended compulsory k-12 education are fighting against some level of indoctrination whether they know it or not. There are numerous factors designed to rob people of their reason and its a rare individual who overcomes this. Systems work either because of the distribution of labor, or corruption, that enables them to overcome friction and enact change in a productive direction. In centralized systems, the distribution of labor is not effective because you are not free to build those systems from the ground up (decentralized). Its top-down and concentrated. The people in these systems do not do this for free, they seek benefits as does anyone in a distribution of labor, and this is oft referred to as corruption since it is working outside the defined top-down system's provided benefits. People over time are almost always incapable of limiting themselves when they are raised above others, there's a biological component which affects dopamine related to heirarchy. Its the same in lobsters, which is why some anti-depressants actually work on lobsters. Power increases heirarchy, affecting dopamine levels, you run into the same issues of those at the top always striving for more; and it never being enough. In this particular context seeking more power than has been granted is a problem. Over sufficient lengths of time, governments become corrupt. They start passing laws with no legal basis, and use their power to compulse, coerce, and increase their power and control through enforcing these laws which they had no authority to pass in the first place. There are many written accounts of this, some of the most famous being Thomas Paine who described the destruction of the Bastille and the French Revolution. This is the natural lifecycle of government. When governments are unable to correct issues internally, they devolve into fascism. When facing fascists, they will take whatever they can; as determined by the people with pull until people stop them; the cycle starts over, generations forget, hubris sets in; and it repeats. The only thing stopping them is your ability to defend yourself and your property making the cost more than the benefit. Its why this was written into the constitution. Its happened many times in recorded history. It almost always starts with corruption by dependency. Making the majority of people or a population completely dependent upon the system for survival. It often creates a problem and then utilizes tactics that the only reason something couldn't be fixed is because their power isn't enough which is plausible; but its never enough and neglects the origin of the problem. History is full of examples where people have lied to gain more power. Slow small corruptions over time that build into larger and larger corruptions, finally to laws without a legal basis of authority that can be applied arbitrarily to anyone the leaders or their delegates choose. People living through these times normalize this behavior because they have no choice. Its a psychological coping mechanism. Eventually a destabilization event occurs breaking any dependencies for authority and you have fascism/authoritarianism, such as what happened in Germany starting with the Reichstag Fire (1933) that ultimately paved the way for WW2. Timothy Snyder did a series of videos on Tyranny. You may find these interesting as a starting point for further self-directed education as he is a credible source, being a Yale Historian with background in the Holocaust and more recent history. Most of what we are taught in school is incomplete in an intentional way, and misleads towards wrong viewpoints because we weren't provided all the appropriate information, nor were we biologically developed enough or trained to think critically and rationally. Much is taught by rote prior to the age of reason and students conditioned for boredom as was done in the original compulsory education our education system was based off which originally came from Prussia to train obedient patriotic unthinking soldiers. Our system is designed to train obedient workers. Critical thought is not what its designed to teach, they only teach what promotes an obedient worker which is why they don't teach you about money or other things that would help you be successful, success outcomes are only a secondary objective and that is a structured design.