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Right, you said before that's unrealistic, sorry. But it's not clear to me what you think would be a good idea, which makes it difficult to see what you think

by kalkin 3y ago

Right, you said before that's unrealistic, sorry. But it's not clear to me what you think would be a good idea, which makes it difficult to see what you think would be a serious proposal rather than misdirection. It appears to me that you are taking it as evidence of bad faith if someone proposes regulation either stronger (pause) or weaker (OpenAI amendments to proposed EU rules) than what you prefer - but you also haven't said what you do prefer. What am I missing? Personally, while I don't think the pause is realistic, I don't think advocates necessarily have any obligation to propose realistic ideas when they're not in a position to actually write any laws and are only able to potentially shift the window of what politicians and media consider acceptable.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> t's not clear to me what you think would be a good idea, which makes it difficult to see what you think would be a serious proposal rather than misdirection Registration. Not even licensing. If you're training a model, you file a form describing who you are, who you work for, who you're working with and what you're doing with which data for what purpose. This lets professionals, policy makers and the public get a sense for the landscape so we can make rules with some sense of reality.
- kalkin 3y ago
  That sounds entirely reasonable to me but also not very far from what Altman advocated in that congressional hearing. And FWIW I suspect a lot of folks here would still see it as just a vehicle for regulatory capture, via red tape, even as it also is, AFAICT, only a first step towards preventing abuses like mass surveillance, laundering bias in credit ratings, etc.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > but also not very far from what Altman advocated in that congressional hearing Sure. Then the EU proposed something like it and Altman threw a hissy fit. That's where my accusations of bad faith come from.

by kalkin 3y ago

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> t's not clear to me what you think would be a good idea, which makes it difficult to see what you think would be a serious proposal rather than misdirection Registration. Not even licensing. If you're training a model, you file a form describing who you are, who you work for, who you're working with and what you're doing with which data for what purpose. This lets professionals, policy makers and the public get a sense for the landscape so we can make rules with some sense of reality.

kalkin 3y ago
That sounds entirely reasonable to me but also not very far from what Altman advocated in that congressional hearing. And FWIW I suspect a lot of folks here would still see it as just a vehicle for regulatory capture, via red tape, even as it also is, AFAICT, only a first step towards preventing abuses like mass surveillance, laundering bias in credit ratings, etc.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > but also not very far from what Altman advocated in that congressional hearing Sure. Then the EU proposed something like it and Altman threw a hissy fit. That's where my accusations of bad faith come from.