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Clear (https://www.clearme.com https://www.clearme.com) could have the business market LOCKED UP if they would - on an opt-in basis - tie their biometic data to

Clear (https://www.clearme.com https://www.clearme.com) could have the business market LOCKED UP if they would - on an opt-in basis - tie their biometic data to an OpenPGP key. Its been proposed to them in the past but I think they suffer from myopia.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
Their business model isn't identity. It's rev share with airports to cut the TSA line. The biometrics are theater as part of the product. (control-F "Risks Related to Our Business, Brand and Operations" from Clear Secure's most recent 10-K) > Clear doesn’t do any actual security screening of passengers, a process reserved solely for the TSA. The New York-based company verifies customers’ identities and escorts them to the front, using revenue-sharing agreements with the airports or airlines that control the lines to secure an advantage for its fliers. https://archive.is/fSiq4 https://archive.is/fSiq4
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- CogitoCogito 3y ago
  Wait they really do nothing more than verify identity? As in the same the the person working there does checking ID? Is the only purpose to get people to cut the line but to add smoke and mirrors so it seems like that’s not the point? If that’s the case, why don’t airports just let people pay to cut the line?
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    > If that’s the case, why don’t airports just let people pay to cut the line? They do. That is what Clear is for (just as Ticketmaster takes the heat for venues or artists taking more from customers via fees). You mean "why don't they make it more overt?" That's a great question.
    - CogitoCogito 3y ago
      Yeah my point was why don’t the make it more overt? I mean we’re talking about airports here. Airlines nickel and dime you more and more. I’m surprised airports wouldn’t just be open about. I mean there are already priority lanes and first class etc. Why hide the purpose of clear?
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      - Spooky23 3y ago
        I think there’s some sort of revenue share. At the end of the day, all they do is a IAL-2 in-person or online validation (not sure if they do that in all cases) of your drivers license. They the link that to a biometric, which may or may not also be IAL-2. Personally, I don’t get the point. I can pay for clear and avoid a line at Yankee stadium because they validated my drivers license and confirmed that I’m not a felon. If I am a felon, some dude looks at my backpack and I experience the same outcome. I worked with a few of these things during the pandemic. They are all vulnerable to frauds with online validation. If you care about that, the best option is something like Idemia with in-person validation.
        CogitoCogito 3y ago
        Holy shit! I didn’t realize Clear existed outside airports. So they are just some general purpose line cutting company? Presumably they track a shitton of information on people cutting lines, and both profit off of people paying them and the information they gather. I wish I’d could say that business getting a proposal to partner with Clear would tell them to take a hike, but I guess few American companies really have any integrity left.

toomuchtodo 3y ago

Their business model isn't identity. It's rev share with airports to cut the TSA line. The biometrics are theater as part of the product. (control-F "Risks Related to Our Business, Brand and Operations" from Clear Secure's most recent 10-K) > Clear doesn’t do any actual security screening of passengers, a process reserved solely for the TSA. The New York-based company verifies customers’ identities and escorts them to the front, using revenue-sharing agreements with the airports or airlines that control the lines to secure an advantage for its fliers. https://archive.is/fSiq4 https://archive.is/fSiq4

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CogitoCogito 3y ago
Wait they really do nothing more than verify identity? As in the same the the person working there does checking ID? Is the only purpose to get people to cut the line but to add smoke and mirrors so it seems like that’s not the point? If that’s the case, why don’t airports just let people pay to cut the line?
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  > If that’s the case, why don’t airports just let people pay to cut the line? They do. That is what Clear is for (just as Ticketmaster takes the heat for venues or artists taking more from customers via fees). You mean "why don't they make it more overt?" That's a great question.
  - CogitoCogito 3y ago
    Yeah my point was why don’t the make it more overt? I mean we’re talking about airports here. Airlines nickel and dime you more and more. I’m surprised airports wouldn’t just be open about. I mean there are already priority lanes and first class etc. Why hide the purpose of clear?
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    - Spooky23 3y ago
      I think there’s some sort of revenue share. At the end of the day, all they do is a IAL-2 in-person or online validation (not sure if they do that in all cases) of your drivers license. They the link that to a biometric, which may or may not also be IAL-2. Personally, I don’t get the point. I can pay for clear and avoid a line at Yankee stadium because they validated my drivers license and confirmed that I’m not a felon. If I am a felon, some dude looks at my backpack and I experience the same outcome. I worked with a few of these things during the pandemic. They are all vulnerable to frauds with online validation. If you care about that, the best option is something like Idemia with in-person validation.
      - CogitoCogito 3y ago
        Holy shit! I didn’t realize Clear existed outside airports. So they are just some general purpose line cutting company? Presumably they track a shitton of information on people cutting lines, and both profit off of people paying them and the information they gather. I wish I’d could say that business getting a proposal to partner with Clear would tell them to take a hike, but I guess few American companies really have any integrity left.