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I do agree. The hard part will be figuring out how to do that. So my background is in networks and I think SMTP was always a great example of a solid network. T

by asim 3y ago

I do agree. The hard part will be figuring out how to do that. So my background is in networks and I think SMTP was always a great example of a solid network. The question on the self hosting front is, how many moving parts will people tolerate. This was built on a past Dev product. So there's a lot of inherit tech debt. I'd have to rebuild a version that could be self hosted and federated. Just depends on whether it makes practical sense.

apsurd 3y ago
my bias is in product development experience so from that lens i think it's a mistake to focus on the technical aspect of your pitch, or really any technical improvement. "chat is a solved problem" to people. mind you, i get annoyed when people say that line, but it's good way to force a discipline to focus on the unique people problem, not make another chat stack. the sentiment needs to land: are humans gonna sign up and bring other humans to interact with. right now the messaging on the landing page isn't good enough to evoke that, but that's ok it's v1. if you ask me, products need to be instantly understandable in like a 5-10 word sentence. and that sentence can take hundreds of iterations. "1 hour grocery delivery" is the perfect product market fit. it's undeniable. disclaimer: used to work for this company =p
- asim 3y ago
  Haha this is good advice. I have been known to spend thousands of iterations on landing pages and readmes for Dev tools. So I think I'm all for the iterations. And yea I agree there's more to be done on the messaging side. I appreciate the advice. I'm also just looking at the practicalities of a self hosted offering. I'd have to rebuild parts of it from the ground up to make that happen. And federation yea a taller ask. But I will take these things seriously and try to understand it a bit more. I totally get it because it's been on my mind a long time, good to see someone else feels the same.
skykooler 3y ago
Moving parts are less of an issue if you could build it into a Docker container.
- asim 3y ago
  Yea considering that but it would be a massive container with some quirks still to solve. I think it will depend on how many people really initially ask for it and then whether we can see a path forward for it.

by asim 3y ago

apsurd 3y ago

my bias is in product development experience so from that lens i think it's a mistake to focus on the technical aspect of your pitch, or really any technical improvement. "chat is a solved problem" to people. mind you, i get annoyed when people say that line, but it's good way to force a discipline to focus on the unique people problem, not make another chat stack. the sentiment needs to land: are humans gonna sign up and bring other humans to interact with. right now the messaging on the landing page isn't good enough to evoke that, but that's ok it's v1. if you ask me, products need to be instantly understandable in like a 5-10 word sentence. and that sentence can take hundreds of iterations. "1 hour grocery delivery" is the perfect product market fit. it's undeniable. disclaimer: used to work for this company =p

asim 3y ago
Haha this is good advice. I have been known to spend thousands of iterations on landing pages and readmes for Dev tools. So I think I'm all for the iterations. And yea I agree there's more to be done on the messaging side. I appreciate the advice. I'm also just looking at the practicalities of a self hosted offering. I'd have to rebuild parts of it from the ground up to make that happen. And federation yea a taller ask. But I will take these things seriously and try to understand it a bit more. I totally get it because it's been on my mind a long time, good to see someone else feels the same.

skykooler 3y ago

Moving parts are less of an issue if you could build it into a Docker container.

asim 3y ago
Yea considering that but it would be a massive container with some quirks still to solve. I think it will depend on how many people really initially ask for it and then whether we can see a path forward for it.