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I'm not surprised about how data is shared. I know we freely share it to companies without concern. Much of this is within our own control. Regulations would p

I'm not surprised about how data is shared. I know we freely share it to companies without concern. Much of this is within our own control. Regulations would prevent this type of abuse to power consumers in the United States. The rest of this argument is whataboutism.

majormajor 3y ago
> Regulations would prevent this type of abuse to power consumers in the United States. The rest of this argument is whataboutism. So... you agree with the original post now that there's a specific risk with the current potential uses of these models? I'm not sure what you're questioning at this point. ("what if it was your employer" is also not "whatabouttism," it's another facet of the same concern. Another party who pulls publicly available data today, and could potentially pull even more, giving us as the public the need to decide if we want to allow that to happen. Should someone be able to be made unemployable if an LLM decides they're too much of an asshole on Twitter? Let's figure it out.)
- cmilton 3y ago
  >So... you agree with the original post now that there's a specific risk with the current potential uses of these models No. I do not believe the US government would allow public utilities to set prices based on social metrics bought from 3rd parties. >"what if it was your employer" is also not "whatabouttism," I do not believe a public utility and my employer correlate. Maybe if I was a government employee. Even then, I don't believe the government would have the right to use that data against me either. I have a hard time believing these underhanded tactics are overlooked and allowed.
  - majormajor 3y ago
    I don't understand your fixation on power companies. Imagine you'd never read the original comment and instead you read a comment from me, saying, "I have a specific concern about how LLMs like ChatGPT will let companies do far more intrusive background checks against every applicant than they do today. I don't want a world where the standard process for getting a new job includes a background check that runs an LLM across everything you've posted on the internet. It wasn't practical for them to do this for every single applicant in the old world, they just did cursory background checks since doing more would cost too much, but as LLMs get cheaper it will be easy and cheap." Do you agree that that's a concern introduced by the development of LLMs?
    - cmilton 3y ago
      AI is not introducing any more concern. Companies already incorporate this practice. Are you against the practice or against AI?
  - pixl97 3y ago
    >I have a hard time believing these underhanded tactics are overlooked and allowed. Really, we're looking at the wrong place talking about the power company... where you should be looking is rental properties. https://www.propublica.org/article/yieldstar-rent-increase-realpage-rent https://www.propublica.org/article/yieldstar-rent-increase-r...

majormajor 3y ago

> Regulations would prevent this type of abuse to power consumers in the United States. The rest of this argument is whataboutism. So... you agree with the original post now that there's a specific risk with the current potential uses of these models? I'm not sure what you're questioning at this point. ("what if it was your employer" is also not "whatabouttism," it's another facet of the same concern. Another party who pulls publicly available data today, and could potentially pull even more, giving us as the public the need to decide if we want to allow that to happen. Should someone be able to be made unemployable if an LLM decides they're too much of an asshole on Twitter? Let's figure it out.)

cmilton 3y ago
>So... you agree with the original post now that there's a specific risk with the current potential uses of these models No. I do not believe the US government would allow public utilities to set prices based on social metrics bought from 3rd parties. >"what if it was your employer" is also not "whatabouttism," I do not believe a public utility and my employer correlate. Maybe if I was a government employee. Even then, I don't believe the government would have the right to use that data against me either. I have a hard time believing these underhanded tactics are overlooked and allowed.
- majormajor 3y ago
  I don't understand your fixation on power companies. Imagine you'd never read the original comment and instead you read a comment from me, saying, "I have a specific concern about how LLMs like ChatGPT will let companies do far more intrusive background checks against every applicant than they do today. I don't want a world where the standard process for getting a new job includes a background check that runs an LLM across everything you've posted on the internet. It wasn't practical for them to do this for every single applicant in the old world, they just did cursory background checks since doing more would cost too much, but as LLMs get cheaper it will be easy and cheap." Do you agree that that's a concern introduced by the development of LLMs?
  - cmilton 3y ago
    AI is not introducing any more concern. Companies already incorporate this practice. Are you against the practice or against AI?
- pixl97 3y ago
  >I have a hard time believing these underhanded tactics are overlooked and allowed. Really, we're looking at the wrong place talking about the power company... where you should be looking is rental properties. https://www.propublica.org/article/yieldstar-rent-increase-realpage-rent https://www.propublica.org/article/yieldstar-rent-increase-r...