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You must be joking? By your argument I should drink and drive because the probability of ending up in a wheelchair is very low, cars being so safe. Suppose th

You must be joking? By your argument I should drink and drive because the probability of ending up in a wheelchair is very low, cars being so safe. Suppose this condition came about by a disease. Suppose transmission rates were 2%. Would you have unprotected sex with someone on a 2% chance of getting this condition? Assume that it was guaranteed the girl was otherwise without infection and not fertile.

ryanklee 3y ago
These are rates for minor complications. The incident rate for major ones requiring post-procedure interventions is 0.1%.
- tivert 3y ago
  > These are rates for minor complications. The incident rate for major ones requiring post-procedure interventions is 0.1%. What's the difference between a "minor complication" and a "major" one? Where does "life long pain and discomfort" fall? The word "requiring" seems a bit weasely (e.g. you could survive your life-long pain without surgery, so it's not required, therefor your complication is "minor" even though it significantly decreases your quality of life).
  - ryanklee 3y ago
    It's not weaselly. The study indicates it's chronic pain that reduced QoL. Unbelievable pushback about vasectomy value prop, here. It's a crazy common procedure. If rates of complications that mattered were high enough to matter, we'd all know about it via high rates of anecdata indicating the risk.
    - 6D794163636F756 3y ago
      Vasectomies have a lower chance of serious complication than birth control but perish the thought that men should suffer to prevent pregnancy. Like, I get it, I'm a guy. It's a risk but the alternative is that you don't take a risk. But I like my odds in a vasectomy better than my partner's during pregnancy or over a lifetime of birth control
  - mcphage 3y ago
    “Life long pain and discomfort” is obviously a major complication, nobody is pretending it is not.
addisonl 3y ago
Bad comparison since drunk driving impacts others.
- mmh0000 3y ago
  Hah! I enjoyed that pun. Thanks for improving my day.

ryanklee 3y ago

These are rates for minor complications. The incident rate for major ones requiring post-procedure interventions is 0.1%.

tivert 3y ago
> These are rates for minor complications. The incident rate for major ones requiring post-procedure interventions is 0.1%. What's the difference between a "minor complication" and a "major" one? Where does "life long pain and discomfort" fall? The word "requiring" seems a bit weasely (e.g. you could survive your life-long pain without surgery, so it's not required, therefor your complication is "minor" even though it significantly decreases your quality of life).
- ryanklee 3y ago
  It's not weaselly. The study indicates it's chronic pain that reduced QoL. Unbelievable pushback about vasectomy value prop, here. It's a crazy common procedure. If rates of complications that mattered were high enough to matter, we'd all know about it via high rates of anecdata indicating the risk.
  - 6D794163636F756 3y ago
    Vasectomies have a lower chance of serious complication than birth control but perish the thought that men should suffer to prevent pregnancy. Like, I get it, I'm a guy. It's a risk but the alternative is that you don't take a risk. But I like my odds in a vasectomy better than my partner's during pregnancy or over a lifetime of birth control
- mcphage 3y ago
  “Life long pain and discomfort” is obviously a major complication, nobody is pretending it is not.

addisonl 3y ago

Bad comparison since drunk driving impacts others.

mmh0000 3y ago
Hah! I enjoyed that pun. Thanks for improving my day.