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Because they want to control the information and thoughts their children can access. Isn't this called brainwashing?

anonporridge 3y ago
It's called indoctrination, and everyone does it to their kids. A lot of conservatives have decided they don't like the indoctrination that the state is giving to kids in public school, so they are starting to homeschool their kids to make it more likely that they are indoctrinated in the parent's memes and not the state's.
- Timon3 3y ago
  > It's called indoctrination, and everyone does it to their kids. I'm sure everyone does it to some degree, but surely not every "indoctrination" is equal, right? If you help foster critical thinking and show proper scientific methodology incl. how to discern good and bad sources, I'd say you're doing less indoctrination than if you don't do this and e.g. just block resources you don't like.
  - tivert 3y ago
    >> It's called indoctrination, and everyone does it to their kids. > I'm sure everyone does it to some degree, but surely not every "indoctrination" is equal, right? Yes, but it depends on your point of view. I'm an A, so I think A-indoctrination is best, but you're a B, so you disagree think B-indoctrination is best (and perhaps that A-indoctrination is bad and I'm bad for doing it). If you think you're in a position to objectively evaluate which is better, you've just presented of an example of someone who's confused their point of view with objectivity. The "not equal" is in the sense of "not equally close to me."
    - Timon3 3y ago
      That kind of ignored what I wrote earlier. If A-indoctrination means to: > help foster critical thinking and show proper scientific methodology incl. how to discern good and bad sources and B-indoctrination doesn't, we can still say that one is more indoctrinated than the other, since one doesn't simply follow their indoctrination, but actually has the tools to evaluate their position properly.
      - tivert 3y ago
        > That kind of ignored what I wrote earlier. No, I didn't. Someone who is indoctrinated to "foster critical thinking and show proper scientific methodology" and does so is simply following their indoctrination. There's always ideology that goes so unquestioned that it's hard to see it for what it really is, an ideology.
        Timon3 3y ago
        I think this view leads to incredibly bad comparisons. Let me try to explain using a hypothetical: Child A is raised with homeschooling by parents that strictly believe in flat earth, reject "mainstream physics" and science in total, and Child A fully believes it all and sees conspiracies everywhere. Child B is raised in the public school system and they have a standard science education, incl. the basics of how gravity works and so on. They also have talked in class about flat earth and disproved the theory on multiple grounds any person can try - but they have honestly tried to look into it. Child B believes in our standard models, to the best of their knowledge. Who is more indoctrinated?
        tivert 3y ago
        > Who is more indoctrinated? You're still not getting it. Quit looking at things from your point of view for a minute. They're both indoctrinated, and "more" in this case is simply a function of how far they are from your ideology.
        Timon3 3y ago
        You can repeat this as often as you want to, but I will not agree that we live in post-factual times and everything is fully subjective. If you give somebody the tools to find the truth themselves they will not be necessarily follow their parents indoctrination. Try to consider whether you really wish to treat every single viewpoint as equal.
        tivert 3y ago

It's called indoctrination, and everyone does it to their kids. A lot of conservatives have decided they don't like the indoctrination that the state is giving to kids in public school, so they are starting to homeschool their kids to make it more likely that they are indoctrinated in the parent's memes and not the state's.

Timon3 3y ago
> It's called indoctrination, and everyone does it to their kids. I'm sure everyone does it to some degree, but surely not every "indoctrination" is equal, right? If you help foster critical thinking and show proper scientific methodology incl. how to discern good and bad sources, I'd say you're doing less indoctrination than if you don't do this and e.g. just block resources you don't like.
- tivert 3y ago
  >> It's called indoctrination, and everyone does it to their kids. > I'm sure everyone does it to some degree, but surely not every "indoctrination" is equal, right? Yes, but it depends on your point of view. I'm an A, so I think A-indoctrination is best, but you're a B, so you disagree think B-indoctrination is best (and perhaps that A-indoctrination is bad and I'm bad for doing it). If you think you're in a position to objectively evaluate which is better, you've just presented of an example of someone who's confused their point of view with objectivity. The "not equal" is in the sense of "not equally close to me."
  - Timon3 3y ago
    That kind of ignored what I wrote earlier. If A-indoctrination means to: > help foster critical thinking and show proper scientific methodology incl. how to discern good and bad sources and B-indoctrination doesn't, we can still say that one is more indoctrinated than the other, since one doesn't simply follow their indoctrination, but actually has the tools to evaluate their position properly.
    - tivert 3y ago
      > That kind of ignored what I wrote earlier. No, I didn't. Someone who is indoctrinated to "foster critical thinking and show proper scientific methodology" and does so is simply following their indoctrination. There's always ideology that goes so unquestioned that it's hard to see it for what it really is, an ideology.
      - Timon3 3y ago
        I think this view leads to incredibly bad comparisons. Let me try to explain using a hypothetical: Child A is raised with homeschooling by parents that strictly believe in flat earth, reject "mainstream physics" and science in total, and Child A fully believes it all and sees conspiracies everywhere. Child B is raised in the public school system and they have a standard science education, incl. the basics of how gravity works and so on. They also have talked in class about flat earth and disproved the theory on multiple grounds any person can try - but they have honestly tried to look into it. Child B believes in our standard models, to the best of their knowledge. Who is more indoctrinated?
        tivert 3y ago
        > Who is more indoctrinated? You're still not getting it. Quit looking at things from your point of view for a minute. They're both indoctrinated, and "more" in this case is simply a function of how far they are from your ideology.
        Timon3 3y ago
        You can repeat this as often as you want to, but I will not agree that we live in post-factual times and everything is fully subjective. If you give somebody the tools to find the truth themselves they will not be necessarily follow their parents indoctrination. Try to consider whether you really wish to treat every single viewpoint as equal.
        tivert 3y ago