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A bit surprising to read the comment about shootings in the US, as shooting is increasing a lot in Sweden lately. But I guess things are relative.

suddenclarity 3y ago
I believe we also have a record in bombings. With that said, the grass is always greener in these articles. You can find both ends of the spectrum in most countries depending on where you live.
maccard 3y ago
2022 saw 60 people killed by shootings in sweden, and from my quick googling the rise appears to be gang related. Sweden has 10m people. Meanwhile, Chicago with 2m people had 12 people killed _last weekend_.
- goostavos 3y ago
  I'm gunna go ahead and wager that those Chicago shootings are also gang related.
  - stcroixx 3y ago
    Increasingly less so. Memorial day weekend had 2 separate fatal shootings in the lake view neighborhood, which is all young rich kids. Perps might have been gang members but victims definitely not.
    - rhaway84773 3y ago
      Clowns like Ja Morant do play a role in this. There’s no other reason for the rich kids to be swinging guns.
      - tptacek 3y ago
        Rich kids aren't swinging guns in Lakeview.
- legitster 3y ago
  Even if you compare all homicides, Sweden is about 6x safer per capita than the US. But it's worth pointing out the danger in both is still very, very low. It really shouldn't be a contributing factor about where you live.
INTPenis 3y ago
Not mass shootings, they're all gangland shootings. I'm not defending them but the US is on a completely different level. People who want less gun restrictions in Sweden keep bringing up this argument that "the gangs are armed". And yes, they are, but the lunatics are not. Whenever a lunatic has done something in Sweden it has been either with a hatchet, a truck, a knife, a sword. Very rarely with a gun.
- legitster 3y ago
  Well, also, while there are certainly lots of guns in Sweden, they are mostly long guns. A big reason gun violence is so pervasive in the US is the proliferation of pistols. It's so much easier to conceal and smuggle handguns so they have an order of magnitude larger "surface area" for danger.
- marssaxman 3y ago
  > Not mass shootings, they're all gangland shootings. That is essentially true in the US as well. Non-gang-related shootings get enormous amounts of attention, but in statistical terms they are next thing to meaningless.
- onemoresoop 3y ago
  Not that I wouldn't want gangs disarmed and disbanded, I surely do if possible they are dangerous and do terrible things, but mass shootings are not really their thing, the largest chunk of gang violence is inflicted on other gangs.
- 908B64B197 3y ago
  > Whenever a lunatic has done something in Sweden it has been either with a hatchet, a truck, a knife, a sword. Very rarely with a gun. That's sure to bring comfort to the victim's family. "Your son was brutally murdered with a sword. You can be thankful to the government for our strong gun laws that prevented your son from dying from a shooting like it could have happened in the USA".
- jimt1234 3y ago
  I get bothered when people dismiss gun violence as gang-related, as if it doesn't matter because the victims are in gangs. We're all human beings, and we all deserve to live. Yes, people involved with gangs, pretty much by definition, are more likely to be a victim at some point, but it doesn't mean we as a society should just dismiss them, like they're meaningless, they all deserved to die. It just seems so heartless. In the US, it's almost automatic when someone points out all the gun-related deaths: "A large portion of gun deaths are gangs in Chicago!" Probably true, but so what? People are still dying.
legitster 3y ago
The shootings and bombings in Europe go completely ignored in the US press.
vkou 3y ago
A bad year of shootings in Sweden is a bad weekend of gun violence in Texas. A normal year of shootings in it is a normal day in Texas.
trgn 3y ago
I hear gunshots a few times a month (not always violent, sometimes just drunk partiers who think it's fun. lol, oops accidentally killed a person in their bed). Three murders in one year, on the same corner, two blocks over. I live in a "nice" part of town. Things are relative indeed. Also, never lock my doors, never had issues. Neighbors are unfailingly helpful. Will find people passed out in their cars nearly daily on my way to work, on drugs. If they wake up, they'll mumble politely. Weekends, roving hordes of motorcyclists - teenagers with dirt bikes and quads - will run up&down the empty streets. Sometimes they hit our street, sometimes not. I'm not making this up. It's fucking mad max. Trash pickup is excellent, twice a week, large bins. No dog shit anywhere. Very little littler. A few blocks over, somebody dumped some appliances in the creek bed. Free junk drop-off center is two minutes further. My kids walk everywhere, get coddled and spoiled by their neighbors and strangers constantly. At school, they'll get alice training, you know, teaching toddlers what to do when a gunman enters their classroom. This country is depraved, a stench is wafting over it.

suddenclarity 3y ago

I believe we also have a record in bombings. With that said, the grass is always greener in these articles. You can find both ends of the spectrum in most countries depending on where you live.

maccard 3y ago

2022 saw 60 people killed by shootings in sweden, and from my quick googling the rise appears to be gang related. Sweden has 10m people. Meanwhile, Chicago with 2m people had 12 people killed _last weekend_.

goostavos 3y ago
I'm gunna go ahead and wager that those Chicago shootings are also gang related.
- stcroixx 3y ago
  Increasingly less so. Memorial day weekend had 2 separate fatal shootings in the lake view neighborhood, which is all young rich kids. Perps might have been gang members but victims definitely not.
  - rhaway84773 3y ago
    Clowns like Ja Morant do play a role in this. There’s no other reason for the rich kids to be swinging guns.
    - tptacek 3y ago
      Rich kids aren't swinging guns in Lakeview.
legitster 3y ago
Even if you compare all homicides, Sweden is about 6x safer per capita than the US. But it's worth pointing out the danger in both is still very, very low. It really shouldn't be a contributing factor about where you live.

INTPenis 3y ago

Not mass shootings, they're all gangland shootings. I'm not defending them but the US is on a completely different level. People who want less gun restrictions in Sweden keep bringing up this argument that "the gangs are armed". And yes, they are, but the lunatics are not. Whenever a lunatic has done something in Sweden it has been either with a hatchet, a truck, a knife, a sword. Very rarely with a gun.

legitster 3y ago
Well, also, while there are certainly lots of guns in Sweden, they are mostly long guns. A big reason gun violence is so pervasive in the US is the proliferation of pistols. It's so much easier to conceal and smuggle handguns so they have an order of magnitude larger "surface area" for danger.
marssaxman 3y ago
> Not mass shootings, they're all gangland shootings. That is essentially true in the US as well. Non-gang-related shootings get enormous amounts of attention, but in statistical terms they are next thing to meaningless.
onemoresoop 3y ago
Not that I wouldn't want gangs disarmed and disbanded, I surely do if possible they are dangerous and do terrible things, but mass shootings are not really their thing, the largest chunk of gang violence is inflicted on other gangs.
908B64B197 3y ago
> Whenever a lunatic has done something in Sweden it has been either with a hatchet, a truck, a knife, a sword. Very rarely with a gun. That's sure to bring comfort to the victim's family. "Your son was brutally murdered with a sword. You can be thankful to the government for our strong gun laws that prevented your son from dying from a shooting like it could have happened in the USA".
jimt1234 3y ago
I get bothered when people dismiss gun violence as gang-related, as if it doesn't matter because the victims are in gangs. We're all human beings, and we all deserve to live. Yes, people involved with gangs, pretty much by definition, are more likely to be a victim at some point, but it doesn't mean we as a society should just dismiss them, like they're meaningless, they all deserved to die. It just seems so heartless. In the US, it's almost automatic when someone points out all the gun-related deaths: "A large portion of gun deaths are gangs in Chicago!" Probably true, but so what? People are still dying.

legitster 3y ago

The shootings and bombings in Europe go completely ignored in the US press.

vkou 3y ago

A bad year of shootings in Sweden is a bad weekend of gun violence in Texas. A normal year of shootings in it is a normal day in Texas.

trgn 3y ago

I hear gunshots a few times a month (not always violent, sometimes just drunk partiers who think it's fun. lol, oops accidentally killed a person in their bed). Three murders in one year, on the same corner, two blocks over. I live in a "nice" part of town. Things are relative indeed. Also, never lock my doors, never had issues. Neighbors are unfailingly helpful. Will find people passed out in their cars nearly daily on my way to work, on drugs. If they wake up, they'll mumble politely. Weekends, roving hordes of motorcyclists - teenagers with dirt bikes and quads - will run up&down the empty streets. Sometimes they hit our street, sometimes not. I'm not making this up. It's fucking mad max. Trash pickup is excellent, twice a week, large bins. No dog shit anywhere. Very little littler. A few blocks over, somebody dumped some appliances in the creek bed. Free junk drop-off center is two minutes further. My kids walk everywhere, get coddled and spoiled by their neighbors and strangers constantly. At school, they'll get alice training, you know, teaching toddlers what to do when a gunman enters their classroom. This country is depraved, a stench is wafting over it.