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Reddit has posted their own announcements now https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/api_update_enterprise_level_tier_for_large_scale/ https://www

Reddit has posted their own announcements now https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/api_update_enterprise_level_tier_for_large_scale/ https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/api_upda... and https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/13wshdp/api_update_continued_access_to_our_api_for/ https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/13wshdp/api_update...

minimaxir 3y ago
Apollo's developer also commented on that: https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/comment/jmd9e7v/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/comment/...
ccooffee 3y ago
> Finally, to ensure that all regulatory requirements are met in the handling of mature content, we will be limiting access to sexually explicit content for third-party apps starting on July 5, 2023, except for moderation needs. Reddit really buried "no nsfw outside official reddit apps" (from the end of your first link). Didn't Tumblr do something similar and lose a significant fraction of its userbase and revenues?
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  I can only assume Reddit wants to kill NSFW altogether. They require you to authenticate now if you want to see any of it (though of course they promise that somehow this will still be "anonymous"). Once they turn off old.reddit.com, I think that'll be the end of NSFW content on Reddit altogether. I assume they hope to attract more advertising money this way.
  - RandallBrown 3y ago
    They no longer require you to authenticate to see NSFW content. There's a big "I'm over 18" button below the login button. There was a few months where it was required, but it isn't anymore.
    - lelandfe 3y ago
      They subject all of their dark patterns to multivariate testing. I suspect this is to elicit feedback like yours, and suppress the ability to respond to it, as they have never in years promoted any of it to general availability. I’ve been in tests where the entire site is gated, demanding I download the app. I’ve been in tests where SFW content is marked as NSFW, demanding I log in. Etc.
      - matheusmoreira 3y ago
        Why do these companies think they can "test" users anyway? Do we look like guinea pigs to them?
        genmud 3y ago
        They don’t view you as a user... most companies who are ad supported fundamentally view everything as an impression/page load which is simply a container for ad placements. Click through, conversion rates and revenue per thousand impressions are the only metrics that matter to the health of the business. Everything else is secondary and most product managers don't view a/b tests as anything other than experiments on ways to increase those stats.
    - zakember 3y ago
      I just see two buttons: One that says "Log in", another that says "I'm not over 18"
      - hnick 3y ago
        This is correct. You have to swap to old.reddit.com to get in without a login (for now).
    - banana_giraffe 3y ago
      In the US, the seem to no longer require logging in. If they geo-locate your IP to anywhere else, they show "Log In" and "I'm not over 18" buttons.
  - BoxOfRain 3y ago
    Once they get rid of old.reddit.com I'm off for good, their new UI is just so frustrating to use it's not worth it.
    - cloudking 3y ago
      teddit.net is your friend
      - pelagic_sky 3y ago
        Its either getting hammered or it just takes ages to load.
        throwaway472919 3y ago
        There are other instances, none are 100% in my experience but some are better: https://codeberg.org/teddit/teddit https://codeberg.org/teddit/teddit
      - zouhair 3y ago
        Don't they use the api?
- fluidcruft 3y ago
  Is that only for not-logged-in users? I don't see how limiting access to the official app does anything special from a regulatory standpoint. If an account is approved/authorized for nsfw content who cares which app the account is using?
fluidcruft 3y ago
> As of July 1, 2023, we will enforce two different rate limits for the free access tier: > If you are using OAuth for authentication: 100 queries per minute per OAuth client id > If you are not using OAuth for authentication: 10 queries per minute So... doesn't this mean that each logged in Apollo/3rd party client user can make 100 requests per minute for free? The Apollo developer says his average user makes less than 400 requests per day and it's somehow going to average $2.50 per user per month. I must be missing something.
- jsnell 3y ago
  The client id is per-app, not per enduser.
  - fluidcruft 3y ago
    Really? That's super dumb of Reddit. Maybe Apollo can just let users drop in their own API keys.
  - tamirzb 3y ago
    Why not have each user register their own "client"? Is it that complicated?
    - deely3 3y ago
      Because this way each client should be registered in Reddit backend.
    - busymom0 3y ago
      Technically that could be done. Each user could create a client ID and then input that in the app and then the app could use it to make requests. But I doubt Reddit will be happy about that and will quickly send a cease and desist to the developer and ban those users.
- 16bitvoid 3y ago
  No. That's the limit of how many queries can be made per minute on the free tier, but it doesn't state what the free tier entails or what it can be used for. My guess, based on Christian's post, is that third-party clients would not be eligible for the free tier and that the free tier is for uses like bots.
bink 3y ago
Did they really remove their own post describing the changes? I haven't seen that before.
- ccooffee 3y ago
  Someone at Reddit has since restored the linked post[0]. I think the content is unchanged, but it may have been subtly edited while it was "[removed]". [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/api_update_enterprise_level_tier_for_large_scale/ https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/api_upda...
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minimaxir 3y ago

Apollo's developer also commented on that: https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/comment/jmd9e7v/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/comment/...

ccooffee 3y ago

> Finally, to ensure that all regulatory requirements are met in the handling of mature content, we will be limiting access to sexually explicit content for third-party apps starting on July 5, 2023, except for moderation needs. Reddit really buried "no nsfw outside official reddit apps" (from the end of your first link). Didn't Tumblr do something similar and lose a significant fraction of its userbase and revenues?

rootusrootus 3y ago
I can only assume Reddit wants to kill NSFW altogether. They require you to authenticate now if you want to see any of it (though of course they promise that somehow this will still be "anonymous"). Once they turn off old.reddit.com, I think that'll be the end of NSFW content on Reddit altogether. I assume they hope to attract more advertising money this way.
- RandallBrown 3y ago
  They no longer require you to authenticate to see NSFW content. There's a big "I'm over 18" button below the login button. There was a few months where it was required, but it isn't anymore.
  - lelandfe 3y ago
    They subject all of their dark patterns to multivariate testing. I suspect this is to elicit feedback like yours, and suppress the ability to respond to it, as they have never in years promoted any of it to general availability. I’ve been in tests where the entire site is gated, demanding I download the app. I’ve been in tests where SFW content is marked as NSFW, demanding I log in. Etc.
    - matheusmoreira 3y ago
      Why do these companies think they can "test" users anyway? Do we look like guinea pigs to them?
      - genmud 3y ago
        They don’t view you as a user... most companies who are ad supported fundamentally view everything as an impression/page load which is simply a container for ad placements. Click through, conversion rates and revenue per thousand impressions are the only metrics that matter to the health of the business. Everything else is secondary and most product managers don't view a/b tests as anything other than experiments on ways to increase those stats.
  - zakember 3y ago
    I just see two buttons: One that says "Log in", another that says "I'm not over 18"
    - hnick 3y ago
      This is correct. You have to swap to old.reddit.com to get in without a login (for now).
  - banana_giraffe 3y ago
    In the US, the seem to no longer require logging in. If they geo-locate your IP to anywhere else, they show "Log In" and "I'm not over 18" buttons.
- BoxOfRain 3y ago
  Once they get rid of old.reddit.com I'm off for good, their new UI is just so frustrating to use it's not worth it.
  - cloudking 3y ago
    teddit.net is your friend
    - pelagic_sky 3y ago
      Its either getting hammered or it just takes ages to load.
      - throwaway472919 3y ago
        There are other instances, none are 100% in my experience but some are better: https://codeberg.org/teddit/teddit https://codeberg.org/teddit/teddit
    - zouhair 3y ago
      Don't they use the api?
fluidcruft 3y ago
Is that only for not-logged-in users? I don't see how limiting access to the official app does anything special from a regulatory standpoint. If an account is approved/authorized for nsfw content who cares which app the account is using?

fluidcruft 3y ago

> As of July 1, 2023, we will enforce two different rate limits for the free access tier: > If you are using OAuth for authentication: 100 queries per minute per OAuth client id > If you are not using OAuth for authentication: 10 queries per minute So... doesn't this mean that each logged in Apollo/3rd party client user can make 100 requests per minute for free? The Apollo developer says his average user makes less than 400 requests per day and it's somehow going to average $2.50 per user per month. I must be missing something.

jsnell 3y ago
The client id is per-app, not per enduser.
- fluidcruft 3y ago
  Really? That's super dumb of Reddit. Maybe Apollo can just let users drop in their own API keys.
- tamirzb 3y ago
  Why not have each user register their own "client"? Is it that complicated?
  - deely3 3y ago
    Because this way each client should be registered in Reddit backend.
  - busymom0 3y ago
    Technically that could be done. Each user could create a client ID and then input that in the app and then the app could use it to make requests. But I doubt Reddit will be happy about that and will quickly send a cease and desist to the developer and ban those users.
16bitvoid 3y ago
No. That's the limit of how many queries can be made per minute on the free tier, but it doesn't state what the free tier entails or what it can be used for. My guess, based on Christian's post, is that third-party clients would not be eligible for the free tier and that the free tier is for uses like bots.

bink 3y ago

Did they really remove their own post describing the changes? I haven't seen that before.

ccooffee 3y ago
Someone at Reddit has since restored the linked post[0]. I think the content is unchanged, but it may have been subtly edited while it was "[removed]". [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/api_update_enterprise_level_tier_for_large_scale/ https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/api_upda...

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