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I mean, based on the fact the new drugs are hormone related (they help lose weight by suppressing the hunger mechanics in the body) of course people "don't list

I mean, based on the fact the new drugs are hormone related (they help lose weight by suppressing the hunger mechanics in the body) of course people "don't listen to what you tell them". You're telling them to, with will alone, totally ignore their own body's hormone disorder. I'm sure narcoleptics can also just stay awake when you tell them, or I'm sure people with thyroid disorders can also just overcome it with sheer will. I think no one willingly eats themselves obese. Something else must be going wrong-- an eating disorder caused by trauma, or a hormone disorder, or something. Normal-sized people just don't feel the need to eat that much and genuinely find overeating to be deeply unpleasant, because their bodies are responding healthily to too many calories ["I shouldn't have had that extra slice of pizza, I feel like shit"].

stanmancan 3y ago
I think the real problem is that the vast majority of people know nothing about nutrition and thus are unable to make healthy decisions. Nutrition, diet, and cooking should be required courses in high school.
- EatingWithForks 3y ago
  The thing is that nutrition education hasn't been proven to work for obese people. They do not educate themselves thin, no matter how much education they get. It's very clear to me something is going wrong at a greater population level. There's no education needed to think "nah I don't need dessert" or "yeah I'm done, I'll take these leftovers home". That's just listening to your body. Something has gone wrong where obese people's bodies aren't responding properly to food.
  - stanmancan 3y ago
    My theory, based on nothing, is that up until recently food was scarce so when it was available we had to eat for survival. The more calorie dense something was the more likely we were to survive. After millions of years of evolution we've only recently had an abundance of food in many places and our instincts to eat it all haven't evolved quite yet. (To confirm again, this is just my personal theory and I know nothing about the space) Anyways; personally I've found education to be very helpful. It does take some will power but that's the same for anything. Lots of people find drinking fun; why don't you wake up and drink in the morning? Relaxing, hanging with friends, and doing hobbies is more fun than work so why don't we all quit our jobs to pursue those things? We know drinking can be destructive and is bad for us so, addicts aside, we know to drink with moderation. We know we have bills to pay to survive so we know we can't quit our job. With proper education people might realize their food choices are killing them and make healthier choices. Most people just simply don't know. It won't work for everyone, but some people are alcoholics and some are unemployed, but having the proper education and tools would absolutely empower a lot of people to make better choices and live healthier lives. People's diets are literally killing them and they don't know any better.
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    - EatingWithForks 3y ago
      Fat people are fat, not stupid. We've been making fun of fat people overeating since Durdley was chowing down on Harry Potter's birthday cake. Educating obese people doesn't make them thin. There's no studies supporting it.
      - stanmancan 3y ago
        I never said they were stupid, and I also never implied they stuff their faces with cake. People will order a salad thinking it’s a healthy choice and not knowing it has as many calories as a burger.
- cm2012 3y ago
  That's not the problem. Nutrition education programs have been tested in huge trials and have no effect on long term weight loss.

stanmancan 3y ago

I think the real problem is that the vast majority of people know nothing about nutrition and thus are unable to make healthy decisions. Nutrition, diet, and cooking should be required courses in high school.

EatingWithForks 3y ago
The thing is that nutrition education hasn't been proven to work for obese people. They do not educate themselves thin, no matter how much education they get. It's very clear to me something is going wrong at a greater population level. There's no education needed to think "nah I don't need dessert" or "yeah I'm done, I'll take these leftovers home". That's just listening to your body. Something has gone wrong where obese people's bodies aren't responding properly to food.
- stanmancan 3y ago
  My theory, based on nothing, is that up until recently food was scarce so when it was available we had to eat for survival. The more calorie dense something was the more likely we were to survive. After millions of years of evolution we've only recently had an abundance of food in many places and our instincts to eat it all haven't evolved quite yet. (To confirm again, this is just my personal theory and I know nothing about the space) Anyways; personally I've found education to be very helpful. It does take some will power but that's the same for anything. Lots of people find drinking fun; why don't you wake up and drink in the morning? Relaxing, hanging with friends, and doing hobbies is more fun than work so why don't we all quit our jobs to pursue those things? We know drinking can be destructive and is bad for us so, addicts aside, we know to drink with moderation. We know we have bills to pay to survive so we know we can't quit our job. With proper education people might realize their food choices are killing them and make healthier choices. Most people just simply don't know. It won't work for everyone, but some people are alcoholics and some are unemployed, but having the proper education and tools would absolutely empower a lot of people to make better choices and live healthier lives. People's diets are literally killing them and they don't know any better.
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  - EatingWithForks 3y ago
    Fat people are fat, not stupid. We've been making fun of fat people overeating since Durdley was chowing down on Harry Potter's birthday cake. Educating obese people doesn't make them thin. There's no studies supporting it.
    - stanmancan 3y ago
      I never said they were stupid, and I also never implied they stuff their faces with cake. People will order a salad thinking it’s a healthy choice and not knowing it has as many calories as a burger.
cm2012 3y ago
That's not the problem. Nutrition education programs have been tested in huge trials and have no effect on long term weight loss.