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Judaism is a largely unorganized religion with no military. Russia is a large hostile state with a history of attacking Poland and possessor of, at one point, a

Judaism is a largely unorganized religion with no military. Russia is a large hostile state with a history of attacking Poland and possessor of, at one point, a strong military.

gersg 3y ago
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pphysch 3y ago
The Nazi belief at the time was that Judaism was an integral component of "Judeo-Bolshevism" i.e. the USSR so it is not correct to assert that there was "no military" -- the USSR had a rapidly growing industrial military. German fascists thought that all Jewish people were in cahoots with the USSR, which was Definitely trying to conquer all of Europa. Polish fascists think all ethnically Russian people are in cahoots with the RF MoD, which is Definitely trying to conquer all of Europa. It is a similar situation and we shouldn't succumb to historical revisionism.
- Timon3 3y ago
  > German fascists thought that all Jewish people were in cahoots with the USSR, which was Definitely trying to conquer all of Europa. This is easily proven false on the grounds that not all Jewish people had any connection to the USSR. You have to accept a falsehood for this conclusion. > Polish fascists think all ethnically Russian people are in cahoots with the RF MoD, which is Definitely trying to conquer all of Europa. All ethnically Russian people could have a connection to Russia, many are likely to. This means you don't have to accept a falsehood for this conclusion. Let's not try to equate completely disparate situations, or we'll have to treat the Flat Earth movement with the same level of comparability.
  - pphysch 3y ago
    Mental gymnastics aside, having a possible "connection to Russia" is not the same as supporting the Russian Ministry of Defense.
    - Timon3 3y ago
      But that ignores the whole point! If I ignore that the sky isn't blurple, sure, the sky is blurple. The Nazis believed all Jewish people to be connected to a conspiracy, even though the necessary precondition wasn't given. This is NOT the same with Russian people, which the previous poster claimed. I am not claiming all Russian people should be treated one way or another, but I cannot stand the historical revisionism comparing the plight of the Jewish people DURING WWII to Russian people today!
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      - pphysch 3y ago
        It wasn't just Jewish people, it was any group associated with the USSR. Socialists, communists, etc. Anyways, I'm sure the European fascists will be right this time, and nothing will go wrong.
        Timon3 3y ago
        You're right, I'm sorry - the Russian people are living through the exact same trauma that Jewish people went through. They are being banned from society for no good reason, and are slowly but surely being killed through a bureaucratic death machine. It's the exact same situation. Literally.
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      - photochemsyn 3y ago
        To be precise, I was comparing the plight of the Jewish people in Germany in c. 1933 to the plight of 'suspected Russian collaborators' in Poland today, with the goal of explaining how blocking the rise of totalitarian states (with no independent judiciary or fair trials for citizens) could have prevented the plight of the Jewish people in 1943. Claiming that anyone is doing the kind of historical revisionism are opposed to is something of a strawman argument, isn't it?
- lisasays 3y ago
  Polish fascists think all ethnically Russian people are in cahoots with the RF MoD, which is Definitely trying to conquer all of Europa. That's not what they think. As you know. This kind of intentional blurring and hyperbole is really quite tiresome.
engineer_22 3y ago
> Judaism is a largely unorganized religion with no military Well, except that one nuclear armed nation state in the middle east. Besides that... I think your interlocutors are trying to point out that boogey-man politics leads people the wrong way, as evidenced by 20th century European wars.

Judaism is a largely unorganized religion with no military. Russia is a large hostile state with a history of attacking Poland and possessor of, at one point, a strong military.

gersg 3y ago

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pphysch 3y ago

The Nazi belief at the time was that Judaism was an integral component of "Judeo-Bolshevism" i.e. the USSR so it is not correct to assert that there was "no military" -- the USSR had a rapidly growing industrial military. German fascists thought that all Jewish people were in cahoots with the USSR, which was Definitely trying to conquer all of Europa. Polish fascists think all ethnically Russian people are in cahoots with the RF MoD, which is Definitely trying to conquer all of Europa. It is a similar situation and we shouldn't succumb to historical revisionism.

Timon3 3y ago
> German fascists thought that all Jewish people were in cahoots with the USSR, which was Definitely trying to conquer all of Europa. This is easily proven false on the grounds that not all Jewish people had any connection to the USSR. You have to accept a falsehood for this conclusion. > Polish fascists think all ethnically Russian people are in cahoots with the RF MoD, which is Definitely trying to conquer all of Europa. All ethnically Russian people could have a connection to Russia, many are likely to. This means you don't have to accept a falsehood for this conclusion. Let's not try to equate completely disparate situations, or we'll have to treat the Flat Earth movement with the same level of comparability.
- pphysch 3y ago
  Mental gymnastics aside, having a possible "connection to Russia" is not the same as supporting the Russian Ministry of Defense.
  - Timon3 3y ago
    But that ignores the whole point! If I ignore that the sky isn't blurple, sure, the sky is blurple. The Nazis believed all Jewish people to be connected to a conspiracy, even though the necessary precondition wasn't given. This is NOT the same with Russian people, which the previous poster claimed. I am not claiming all Russian people should be treated one way or another, but I cannot stand the historical revisionism comparing the plight of the Jewish people DURING WWII to Russian people today!
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    - pphysch 3y ago
      It wasn't just Jewish people, it was any group associated with the USSR. Socialists, communists, etc. Anyways, I'm sure the European fascists will be right this time, and nothing will go wrong.
      - Timon3 3y ago
        You're right, I'm sorry - the Russian people are living through the exact same trauma that Jewish people went through. They are being banned from society for no good reason, and are slowly but surely being killed through a bureaucratic death machine. It's the exact same situation. Literally.
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    - photochemsyn 3y ago
      To be precise, I was comparing the plight of the Jewish people in Germany in c. 1933 to the plight of 'suspected Russian collaborators' in Poland today, with the goal of explaining how blocking the rise of totalitarian states (with no independent judiciary or fair trials for citizens) could have prevented the plight of the Jewish people in 1943. Claiming that anyone is doing the kind of historical revisionism are opposed to is something of a strawman argument, isn't it?
lisasays 3y ago
Polish fascists think all ethnically Russian people are in cahoots with the RF MoD, which is Definitely trying to conquer all of Europa. That's not what they think. As you know. This kind of intentional blurring and hyperbole is really quite tiresome.

engineer_22 3y ago

> Judaism is a largely unorganized religion with no military Well, except that one nuclear armed nation state in the middle east. Besides that... I think your interlocutors are trying to point out that boogey-man politics leads people the wrong way, as evidenced by 20th century European wars.