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I love when thieves act like they're such noble saints.

by robertoandred 3y ago

izacus 3y ago
Yeah, we all love Robin Hood books. What does your comment have to do with this thread though?
- youreincorrect 3y ago
  Uh, because it responded to a comment that wrote a bunch of 2009-era Guy Fawkes mask-wearing redditor bullshit that attempts to make piracy noble. > o7 thank you for your service (o7 would be a salute) > Where one piracy site dies, a thousand spawn from its corpse. False and nonsense, especially in 2023. > Maybe the media companies will eventually pull their heads out of their collective arses and quit their cartel... Okay, I'll stop here. I'm fine with piracy, personally. I'd prefer we just admit that you're mostly using it to download movies, music, and television shows for free. This isn't some noble fight for freedom. We're talking about watching mindless bullshit content like Star Wars, without paying for it. Piracy proponents, and comments like the one starting this thread, make it seem like we're entitled to this content. We're not. But I'll admit, I don't watch much in the way of tv or movies any more anyway, so the whole debate is lost on me. I just rolled my eyes at the ridiculous tone of that comment, like they're freedom fighters. It's self-important bullshit.
redundantly 3y ago
I love when soulless corporations bribe governments to keep a stranglehold on works of art that have impacted cultures around the world and prevent future artists from being able make more art and prevent the proper collection and preservation of these works and block the access to them, all so they can keep making money off of decades old IP. It goes both ways. There are no Saints to be found on either side. I don't care one bit about the pocketbooks of our corporate overlords, and neither should you.
- robertoandred 3y ago
  Don't pretend you care about artists when you refuse to pay them.
  - redundantly 3y ago
    You shouldn't assume what I do or do not do. I take my kids to the movies. I subscribe to services like Apple Music and TV+, and HBO Max. We watch YouTube videos where there's sponsored content in them. We buy officially licensed merchandise like clothing and toys. We buy books, both physical and digital. And, frankly, it doesn't matter what I do personally. Millions, hell billions, of people around the world do as well. If artists are struggling it's because they're not getting paid properly by the corporations they work for, like Disney, Netflix, and others. It's not because of individuals like you or me or the people that run piracy sites.
    - gamblor956 3y ago
      If artists are struggling it's because they're not getting paid properly by the corporations they work for, like Disney, Netflix, and others. It's not because of individuals like you or me or the people that run piracy sites. This is false. Artists get paid residuals, meaning, per sale, so every non-sale due to piracy is literally coming out of artists' pockets.
      - scotty79 3y ago
        Not once in the history of my consumption of digital content has me not pirating something turned into a sale. Sometimes I pirate it, sometimes I buy it. Sometimes I consume something free instead. Sometimes I pay for the stuff I don't consume at all. But the substitution is always in the direction of cheaper, more available solution. Never in the direction of buying something. There were cases however when me pirating something eventually turned into a sale or even few sales.
        gamblor956 3y ago
5e92cb50239222b 3y ago
Your useless copypasted comments brought nothing to this discussion. You have changed nobody's mind. Have you wrote all that to make yourself feel good?
- robertoandred 3y ago
  I don't think you know how copy/paste works.
protocolture 3y ago
I love it when noble saints steal
- scotty79 3y ago
  Creating fake meanings for old words doesn't make them real. They even had to go through one level of indirection to make people believe what they made up. They couldn't just say, watching digital copy witout paying for it is a theft because people would just laugh at them, no it's not. They had to do a two step process through obsure old crime to confuse people. Using a digital copy without paying for it is piracy. And piracy is theft. Consuming didgital content on your own terms has as much to do with theft as it has with actual piracy that got some resurgence around Africa in recent years.

I love when thieves act like they're such noble saints.

izacus 3y ago

Yeah, we all love Robin Hood books. What does your comment have to do with this thread though?

youreincorrect 3y ago
Uh, because it responded to a comment that wrote a bunch of 2009-era Guy Fawkes mask-wearing redditor bullshit that attempts to make piracy noble. > o7 thank you for your service (o7 would be a salute) > Where one piracy site dies, a thousand spawn from its corpse. False and nonsense, especially in 2023. > Maybe the media companies will eventually pull their heads out of their collective arses and quit their cartel... Okay, I'll stop here. I'm fine with piracy, personally. I'd prefer we just admit that you're mostly using it to download movies, music, and television shows for free. This isn't some noble fight for freedom. We're talking about watching mindless bullshit content like Star Wars, without paying for it. Piracy proponents, and comments like the one starting this thread, make it seem like we're entitled to this content. We're not. But I'll admit, I don't watch much in the way of tv or movies any more anyway, so the whole debate is lost on me. I just rolled my eyes at the ridiculous tone of that comment, like they're freedom fighters. It's self-important bullshit.

redundantly 3y ago

I love when soulless corporations bribe governments to keep a stranglehold on works of art that have impacted cultures around the world and prevent future artists from being able make more art and prevent the proper collection and preservation of these works and block the access to them, all so they can keep making money off of decades old IP. It goes both ways. There are no Saints to be found on either side. I don't care one bit about the pocketbooks of our corporate overlords, and neither should you.

robertoandred 3y ago
Don't pretend you care about artists when you refuse to pay them.
- redundantly 3y ago
  You shouldn't assume what I do or do not do. I take my kids to the movies. I subscribe to services like Apple Music and TV+, and HBO Max. We watch YouTube videos where there's sponsored content in them. We buy officially licensed merchandise like clothing and toys. We buy books, both physical and digital. And, frankly, it doesn't matter what I do personally. Millions, hell billions, of people around the world do as well. If artists are struggling it's because they're not getting paid properly by the corporations they work for, like Disney, Netflix, and others. It's not because of individuals like you or me or the people that run piracy sites.
  - gamblor956 3y ago
    If artists are struggling it's because they're not getting paid properly by the corporations they work for, like Disney, Netflix, and others. It's not because of individuals like you or me or the people that run piracy sites. This is false. Artists get paid residuals, meaning, per sale, so every non-sale due to piracy is literally coming out of artists' pockets.
    - scotty79 3y ago
      Not once in the history of my consumption of digital content has me not pirating something turned into a sale. Sometimes I pirate it, sometimes I buy it. Sometimes I consume something free instead. Sometimes I pay for the stuff I don't consume at all. But the substitution is always in the direction of cheaper, more available solution. Never in the direction of buying something. There were cases however when me pirating something eventually turned into a sale or even few sales.
      - gamblor956 3y ago

5e92cb50239222b 3y ago

Your useless copypasted comments brought nothing to this discussion. You have changed nobody's mind. Have you wrote all that to make yourself feel good?

robertoandred 3y ago
I don't think you know how copy/paste works.

protocolture 3y ago

I love it when noble saints steal

scotty79 3y ago
Creating fake meanings for old words doesn't make them real. They even had to go through one level of indirection to make people believe what they made up. They couldn't just say, watching digital copy witout paying for it is a theft because people would just laugh at them, no it's not. They had to do a two step process through obsure old crime to confuse people. Using a digital copy without paying for it is piracy. And piracy is theft. Consuming didgital content on your own terms has as much to do with theft as it has with actual piracy that got some resurgence around Africa in recent years.