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Yeah, I've got the same question, and I see the same trend in American political issues. There's an obvious problem, and the left-leaning want to try to solve i

by Taywee 3y ago

Yeah, I've got the same question, and I see the same trend in American political issues. There's an obvious problem, and the left-leaning want to try to solve it by either increasing power and control of one (usually governmental) group or decreasing the power and control of a group (like the police). The right leaning ones protest this desire, but tend to not provide any ideas or solutions at all. They claim the problem is unsolvable, or not a problem, or often that it doesn't even exist. I get the paranoia, but where are your solutions? Wouldn't it be more effective to instead come up with a fix that you prefer?

msla 3y ago
> The right leaning ones protest this desire, but tend to not provide any ideas or solutions at all. I think we can all look at places like Florida to see what the right has in mind, and it certainly isn't reducing the size or intrusiveness of government.
- ajmurmann 3y ago
  It would be nice if these policies could be part of the campaigns, rather than just ranting against the other party's plan. Let's be upfront about possible policies and compare those. I get that things might change as rubber hits the road, but typically we get heavily watered-down versions of proposals and don't start out with nothing to reason about to begin with and then get the policy.
  - msla 3y ago
    My point is that things are happening right now in Florida, and the guy in charge of Florida is the one the GOP establishment apparently wants as their Presidential candidate next year. Florida is, therefore, pretty close to what the GOP's vision for the future looks like, were the GOP in charge of the whole country. It couldn't really get any clearer.
boredumb 3y ago
I actually don't agree about the point you make about american politics. I think the left wing "solutions" are broadcasted on entertainment and media channels a lot louder where as the right wing "solutions" are generally silo'd and not propagated in a "mainstream" fashion (or just to be lampooned) so the perception is one side loudly demanding things and the others simply protesting it. The spectrum of opinions and solutions from people on both sides seems to be massive at a grassroots level but there are massive interests involved in the media distilling them into two camps of people with zero nuance.
- Taywee 3y ago
  This isn't just my perspective from media, but from living in a city with a very conservative base (Colorado Springs). I've seen very little political action from conservatives that wasn't reactionary and to the tone of "actually, we don't want anything to change, anywhere at all, unless it means legally enforcing my religious ideals". When it comes to major issues like "how do we handle this virus?" I haven't seen any answers at all from the right other than "we don't want anything the other side of the fence wants". How does the right plan to handle many of the largest problems? Food monoculture? Environmental problems? Wealth inequality? Racial inequality? I live in a pool of conservatism, and the answer is always "what's the problem? My life is good."
  - boredumb 3y ago
    > Food monoculture? Environmental problems? Wealth inequality? Racial inequality? Wealth inequality: reducing regulatory capture and ease of doing business to encourage more competition and wealth across all levels of industry. Food monoculture: reducing globalization of trade and exports to focus on local farming and agriculture Environmental problems: reducing globalization of trade and exports to reduce shipping and much worse pollution and environmental damage in countries of origin (while also promoting manufacturing here to help with wealth inequality) Racial inequality: of what?* *edit now that I re-read it, I mean what particular race and inequality are we addressing, there are plenty and there is no blanket solution.
    - 3y ago
tonfreed 3y ago
From the amount of Ted Kascynski memes I see circle around the right wing internet, I'd probably start paying more attention to what they're actually saying without the filter of partisan bloggers.

by Taywee 3y ago

msla 3y ago

> The right leaning ones protest this desire, but tend to not provide any ideas or solutions at all. I think we can all look at places like Florida to see what the right has in mind, and it certainly isn't reducing the size or intrusiveness of government.

ajmurmann 3y ago
It would be nice if these policies could be part of the campaigns, rather than just ranting against the other party's plan. Let's be upfront about possible policies and compare those. I get that things might change as rubber hits the road, but typically we get heavily watered-down versions of proposals and don't start out with nothing to reason about to begin with and then get the policy.
- msla 3y ago
  My point is that things are happening right now in Florida, and the guy in charge of Florida is the one the GOP establishment apparently wants as their Presidential candidate next year. Florida is, therefore, pretty close to what the GOP's vision for the future looks like, were the GOP in charge of the whole country. It couldn't really get any clearer.

boredumb 3y ago

I actually don't agree about the point you make about american politics. I think the left wing "solutions" are broadcasted on entertainment and media channels a lot louder where as the right wing "solutions" are generally silo'd and not propagated in a "mainstream" fashion (or just to be lampooned) so the perception is one side loudly demanding things and the others simply protesting it. The spectrum of opinions and solutions from people on both sides seems to be massive at a grassroots level but there are massive interests involved in the media distilling them into two camps of people with zero nuance.

Taywee 3y ago
This isn't just my perspective from media, but from living in a city with a very conservative base (Colorado Springs). I've seen very little political action from conservatives that wasn't reactionary and to the tone of "actually, we don't want anything to change, anywhere at all, unless it means legally enforcing my religious ideals". When it comes to major issues like "how do we handle this virus?" I haven't seen any answers at all from the right other than "we don't want anything the other side of the fence wants". How does the right plan to handle many of the largest problems? Food monoculture? Environmental problems? Wealth inequality? Racial inequality? I live in a pool of conservatism, and the answer is always "what's the problem? My life is good."
- boredumb 3y ago
  > Food monoculture? Environmental problems? Wealth inequality? Racial inequality? Wealth inequality: reducing regulatory capture and ease of doing business to encourage more competition and wealth across all levels of industry. Food monoculture: reducing globalization of trade and exports to focus on local farming and agriculture Environmental problems: reducing globalization of trade and exports to reduce shipping and much worse pollution and environmental damage in countries of origin (while also promoting manufacturing here to help with wealth inequality) Racial inequality: of what?* *edit now that I re-read it, I mean what particular race and inequality are we addressing, there are plenty and there is no blanket solution.
  - 3y ago

tonfreed 3y ago

From the amount of Ted Kascynski memes I see circle around the right wing internet, I'd probably start paying more attention to what they're actually saying without the filter of partisan bloggers.