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Iphone and Macs are obviously huge in the enterprise market though.

by qwytw 3y ago

smoldesu 3y ago
If I had a dime for every lifestyle product that was "obviously huge in the enterprise" I could fund the next WeWork in a cash deposit.
- brookst 3y ago
  https://www.computerworld.com/article/3644494/2021-the-year-apple-became-a-big-player-in-enterprise-tech.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/3644494/2021-the-year-... > By 2021, this migration had become a trend. IDC claimed macOS device use across US enterprises reached 23% while iPhones accounted for 49% of business smartphones and iPads accounted for most tablets used in the workplace.
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    Having enterprise customers and being a lifestyle product is not mutually exclusive, especially in American business.
    - brookst 3y ago
      You're obsessed with this "lifestyle" designation. Ok, fine. Apple's a lifestyle company, whatever that means.
      - smoldesu 3y ago
        Apple is obsessed with their lifestyle designation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfR_Jj4grZE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfR_Jj4grZE They publish ads and write all their copy with the intention of framing their products as anything other than a computer.
        brookst 3y ago
        This seems to offend you for some reason. Apple's just doing age-old value selling, where you promote the benefits of a product rather than the features. See https://blog.hubspot.com/sales/value-based-selling https://blog.hubspot.com/sales/value-based-selling
        smoldesu 3y ago
        It might shock you to learn that I don't really care :) I doubt Pat Gelsinger does either, since he's publicly stated that Intel would fab Apple Silicon chips at their ARM foundry if/when TSMC goes offline. The guy's just having a laugh by putting an awfully accurate label on a fruit that pays extra to resist labeling.
        qwytw 3y ago
        > I doubt Pat Gelsinger does either Maybe he should start caring* otherwise he risk running Intel completely into the ground? After all Apple was one of their largest clients until recently. Then a "lifestyle company" managed to somehow design better CPUs than Intel despite that just being an afterthought for them (since apparently Apple only focuses on the "lifestyle" stuff..). I find it so fascinating the people get really obsessed by Apple (both in a negative and a positive way). > I don't really care :) Well a string of your comments would imply that you could actually care less about Apple. *(I'm pretty sure he does in non imaginary reality )
        smoldesu 3y ago
        Apple should be able to design better CPUs than Intel. They've poached their chip designers for over a decade, and have been the world's largest company for years. Beating Intel's single-core IPC is so easy that AMD did it with Ryzen for a laugh - if Apple couldn't do it on RISC, they may as well have given up making chips entirely. I own no stock in Intel or Apple. It's worth discussing to me because it exposes how insecure people are about relying on "lifestyle" companies. Even Intel is a lifestyle company for some people, and those users are equally as pathetic as the people who let Apple, AMD or Nvidia define who they are. If Apple didn't go to such extreme lengths to appear different and look accountable, their staunchest defenders wouldn't have so far to fall.
    - qwytw 3y ago
      And? Companies can target multiple markets simultaneously? I mean basically every other phone or PC manufacturer has tried to become a lifestyle product Apple has just been way more successful at it... > especially in American business. Well more American business can afford spending an extra $1000-2000 on superior hardware* for their employees without thinking about it that much. What's wrong with that? *comparable laptops for Dell, Lenovo, HP etc. cost not that much less for Macs. What's the difference between a Dell XPS and a Macbook in that regard? Or Dell is also a lifestyle brand?
- qwytw 3y ago
  I don't know maybe you would maybe you wouldn't. All I know that huge numbers of employees of both large and small companies regularly use company provided Macs and Iphones for work. Are you actually disputing that? Really?

Iphone and Macs are obviously huge in the enterprise market though.

by qwytw 3y ago

Iphone and Macs are obviously huge in the enterprise market though.

If I had a dime for every lifestyle product that was "obviously huge in the enterprise" I could fund the next WeWork in a cash deposit.

brookst 3y ago
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3644494/2021-the-year-apple-became-a-big-player-in-enterprise-tech.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/3644494/2021-the-year-... > By 2021, this migration had become a trend. IDC claimed macOS device use across US enterprises reached 23% while iPhones accounted for 49% of business smartphones and iPads accounted for most tablets used in the workplace.
- smoldesu 3y ago
  Having enterprise customers and being a lifestyle product is not mutually exclusive, especially in American business.
  - brookst 3y ago
    You're obsessed with this "lifestyle" designation. Ok, fine. Apple's a lifestyle company, whatever that means.
    - smoldesu 3y ago
      Apple is obsessed with their lifestyle designation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfR_Jj4grZE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfR_Jj4grZE They publish ads and write all their copy with the intention of framing their products as anything other than a computer.
      - brookst 3y ago
        This seems to offend you for some reason. Apple's just doing age-old value selling, where you promote the benefits of a product rather than the features. See https://blog.hubspot.com/sales/value-based-selling https://blog.hubspot.com/sales/value-based-selling
        smoldesu 3y ago
        It might shock you to learn that I don't really care :) I doubt Pat Gelsinger does either, since he's publicly stated that Intel would fab Apple Silicon chips at their ARM foundry if/when TSMC goes offline. The guy's just having a laugh by putting an awfully accurate label on a fruit that pays extra to resist labeling.
        qwytw 3y ago
        > I doubt Pat Gelsinger does either Maybe he should start caring* otherwise he risk running Intel completely into the ground? After all Apple was one of their largest clients until recently. Then a "lifestyle company" managed to somehow design better CPUs than Intel despite that just being an afterthought for them (since apparently Apple only focuses on the "lifestyle" stuff..). I find it so fascinating the people get really obsessed by Apple (both in a negative and a positive way). > I don't really care :) Well a string of your comments would imply that you could actually care less about Apple. *(I'm pretty sure he does in non imaginary reality )
        smoldesu 3y ago
        Apple should be able to design better CPUs than Intel. They've poached their chip designers for over a decade, and have been the world's largest company for years. Beating Intel's single-core IPC is so easy that AMD did it with Ryzen for a laugh - if Apple couldn't do it on RISC, they may as well have given up making chips entirely. I own no stock in Intel or Apple. It's worth discussing to me because it exposes how insecure people are about relying on "lifestyle" companies. Even Intel is a lifestyle company for some people, and those users are equally as pathetic as the people who let Apple, AMD or Nvidia define who they are. If Apple didn't go to such extreme lengths to appear different and look accountable, their staunchest defenders wouldn't have so far to fall.
  - qwytw 3y ago
    And? Companies can target multiple markets simultaneously? I mean basically every other phone or PC manufacturer has tried to become a lifestyle product Apple has just been way more successful at it... > especially in American business. Well more American business can afford spending an extra $1000-2000 on superior hardware* for their employees without thinking about it that much. What's wrong with that? *comparable laptops for Dell, Lenovo, HP etc. cost not that much less for Macs. What's the difference between a Dell XPS and a Macbook in that regard? Or Dell is also a lifestyle brand?
qwytw 3y ago
I don't know maybe you would maybe you wouldn't. All I know that huge numbers of employees of both large and small companies regularly use company provided Macs and Iphones for work. Are you actually disputing that? Really?