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There is literally no alternative. You’re stuck with openai, and you’re stuck with whatever rules, limitations or changes they give you. There are other model
by wokwokwok 3y ago
There is literally no alternative.
You’re stuck with openai, and you’re stuck with whatever rules, limitations or changes they give you.
There are other models, but specifically if you’re actively using gpt-4 and find gpt-3.5 to be below the quality you require…
Too bad. You’re out of luck.
Wait for better open source models or wait patiently for someone to release a meaningful competitor, or wait for openai to release a better version.
That’s it. Right now, there’s no one else letting people have access to their models which are equivalent to gpt-4.
- bigmattystyles 3y agoThe model is the spice then basically?
- y-curious 3y agoFitting analogy. The Kenyan data transcribers that OpenAI used are the Fremen, and transcripts of erotic Harry Potter fanfiction are the Shai-Hulud.
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- nirav72 3y agoAre the kenyan's really going to rise up like the Freman? Most likely not. If anything, they'll be used for cheap labor when the next new thing comes along.
- ubermon 3y agohaha was thinking the same. The other day openAI's api hiccup gave me a small panic attack
- yankoff 3y agoIs this opinion based on some benchmarking you (or someone else) did?
- j45 3y agoIt seems reasonable for what many who are using openai and self hosting are finding. There’s a gap, it’s closing, likely faster than anticipated. Huggingface awaits :)
- nickthegreek 3y agoNothing that you can self host seems to come close to gpt 3.5, let alone gpt-4. r/LocalLlama is good subreddit to lurk to get a pulse on the local llms. Current leader seems to be Guanaco-65B.
- egonschiele 3y agoI believe there are benchmarks, but I can informally second that opinion. I'm building a writing app (chiseleditor.com) and there is nothing as good as the ChatGPT models right now.
- joenot443 3y agoHave you tried Anthropic, specifically Claude? I have no doubt GPT-4 is still king, I'm just curious how much of a lead it has.
- egonschiele 3y agoNo, I would love to try it out but unfortunately I don't have early access yet.
- pmoriarty 3y agoI've played around a lot with Claude, and find it much better than GPT4 and even Claude+ at creative writing. I also generally prefer Claude or Claude+ over GPT4 or ChatGPT (GPT 3.5) for explanations too, which tend to be more thorough without any special prompting.
- PeterisP 3y agoI would distrust the currently available benchmarks, as recent research (gah, can't remember the paper title) indicates that for many benchmarks at least some of the data splits have leaked into model training data; and there's some experience with the open source models which match an OpenAI model on the benchmark scores but subjectively feel much worse than that model on random questions.
- rhacker 3y agoGuess there really is a moat.
- sroussey 3y agoCompany moats can grow and later shrink.
- findalex 3y agoCompute moat. aka cash moat. It's a deep one, too.
- simonh 3y agoJust to nitpick that a bit, they have a lead. To me, a moat is some other axis of advantage that makes it hard for a rival to compete directly. So for example Tesla has/had a lead in EV tech, but their supercharger network is a moat because it’s very difficult for a rival to compete with, even if they have equivalent EV tech. I know there isn’t established terminology for this. It is a nitpick, but I think a lead is already a term we have, and moat has connotations of being in some way ‘unfair’. To me, just creating a better product isn’t unfair in any meaningful way, while moats in some circumstances can represent anti trust issues.
- rhacker 3y agoSo like, would that not suggest that Google has a moat with AI, as it is already intertwined with our email, calendars, etc... (if they ever make their AI public)
- cloverich 3y agoIt makes it all the more interesting that Google is currently losing to an upstart. They have a MASSIVE advantage in data and moats, but cannot execute on novel products to take advantage of it, despite also hiring a significant chunk of the talent in the market as well. But perhaps at this stage Google's not meant to / need to build cutting edge products, but rather focus on commoditizing the ones that prove profitable.
- meroes 3y agoTechies repeat what they chastise artists for about Adobe
- icapybara 3y agoThis point is understated. So many people are going around like "I'm building an AI app!" when the reality is, OpenAI built an AI app, you're just designing a front end for it.
- philipov 3y agoSo, ChatGPT isn't a technology, it is a service.
- 411111111111111 3y agoThat was never in question. ChatGPT is openAIs web frontend for several of their GPT-Models. The technology is just GPT and transformers, the open source alternatives are just not as advanced as the GPT4 model yet. It might change with current trajectory, mainly because OpenAI keeps nerfing it.
- mensetmanusman 3y agoThe technology is in the hardware/software synergy.
- inductive_magic 3y agoOpenAI builds an LLM and an api-interface to that model. The design of abstractions, prompt engineering, custom fine-tunes and software engineering required to ship a valuable application on top of that interface counts as "building an app" in my book.
- bfeynman 3y agohow can you finetune gpt-4 or 3.5? The shell/wrapper around a request to open AI is not any worthy piece of software, It'd be more impressive to vend those services. Otherwise it's basically just a few scripts.
- thethimble 3y ago
- sqs 3y agoAnthropic's Claude is on par with or better than GPT-4 for many tasks. It's not self-hosted, but it is competitive with OpenAI's best model.
- simmanian 3y agoWhat tasks do you use Claude for?
- pmoriarty 3y agoI tend to use Claude primary for creative writing (at which it's better than GPT4 and even Claude+, in my experience), and for explanations, which are more thorough than GPT4 or ChatGPT (GPT 3.5) without any special prompting. Claude should be more well known, imo. ChatGPT/GPT4 gets all the hype, but Claude is really good too... sometimes even better.
- simmanian 3y agoI thought Anthropic has Claude and Claude Instant. When you say Claude sometimes feels better than Claude+, do you mean that you feel Claude Instant sometimes gives better result than Claude?
- pmoriarty 3y agoThis is what I referred to as Claude: https://poe.com/Claude-instant https://poe.com/Claude-instant And this is Claude+: https://poe.com/Claude%2B https://poe.com/Claude%2B
- poulpy123 3y agoit would be more known if they would provide an interface as easy to use as chatgpt.
- belter 3y agoThere is no AI, there are LLM models, that people hardly understand. Modern solutions are to AI what Alchemy was to Chemistry. Sometimes they get some results but nobody really sure why. The little that OpenAI mentioned about how they achieved GPT-4 performance, says it was by trying a bunch of things and dismissing others. They probably also themselves not sure how they managed to pull it of, meaning that, if for example an increase in parameter size or other settings, kick in negative effects that actually reduce the model performance, they will also be at a loss where to go next.