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You seem pretty knowledgeable about Rust politics. Who are the toxic assholes that JeanHeyd Meneide should have contacted to "work this out" after being insulte

You seem pretty knowledgeable about Rust politics. Who are the toxic assholes that JeanHeyd Meneide should have contacted to "work this out" after being insulted, with the likely outcome of suffering further harm? It seems a very strange expectation. Leaving this kind of dumpster fire is the obvious right answer for almost everyone involved, to limit current and potential damage of all sorts. Do you just feel entitled to a "good" (or at least functioning) Rust community, or are you seriously blaming JeanHeyd Meneide and Shepherd's Oasis for deciding that they have been offended enough?

jkelleyrtp 3y ago
I’m working with the same set of blogposts, hackmds, and tweets as everyone else. It seems that JeanHyde went public with their experience instead of opening a dialogue with their advocate (JT) or core team member (Josh). JeanHyde says as much in their original post - assuming that the Rust Project had some sort of due process, JH didn’t want to legitimize that process. As Josh’s post points out, there is no legitimate due process and the Rust project is actively a mess right now. > suffering further harm This type of language is actively muddying the conversation. Nobody suffered and nobody was harmed here. JH might’ve been upset and confused, but there was no “torture” to “suffer.” The only damage here is everyone leaving the project. In an alternative world, this would’ve been solved in one 30 minute meeting and nobody would’ve heard a thing. > Do you feel entitled… Yes, I do. I’ve payed my dues within the rust community, I’ve bet my career on Rust, I’m building a company that’s actively working to improve Rust. The project is a once-in-generation chance to replace C/C++ and I personally don’t think leadership is taking that seriously. It doesn’t help when speakers like JH choose to go public instead of trying to smooth things over in a sensible manner. I get it, JH expected some sort of legitimate leadership, but now with all the context, I don’t see how you could believe anyone leaving the project or canceling efforts is 1) good or 2) going to solve any problems in the long term.

jkelleyrtp 3y ago

I’m working with the same set of blogposts, hackmds, and tweets as everyone else. It seems that JeanHyde went public with their experience instead of opening a dialogue with their advocate (JT) or core team member (Josh). JeanHyde says as much in their original post - assuming that the Rust Project had some sort of due process, JH didn’t want to legitimize that process. As Josh’s post points out, there is no legitimate due process and the Rust project is actively a mess right now. > suffering further harm This type of language is actively muddying the conversation. Nobody suffered and nobody was harmed here. JH might’ve been upset and confused, but there was no “torture” to “suffer.” The only damage here is everyone leaving the project. In an alternative world, this would’ve been solved in one 30 minute meeting and nobody would’ve heard a thing. > Do you feel entitled… Yes, I do. I’ve payed my dues within the rust community, I’ve bet my career on Rust, I’m building a company that’s actively working to improve Rust. The project is a once-in-generation chance to replace C/C++ and I personally don’t think leadership is taking that seriously. It doesn’t help when speakers like JH choose to go public instead of trying to smooth things over in a sensible manner. I get it, JH expected some sort of legitimate leadership, but now with all the context, I don’t see how you could believe anyone leaving the project or canceling efforts is 1) good or 2) going to solve any problems in the long term.