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Is there fear of retaliation when the reaction is almost universally media fawning for the bravery of speaking up, and importantly, has been for 20 ish years?

by blq10 3y ago

marcinzm 3y ago
Yes. Look someone actually asked people and put together the surveys in a single place that is just a quick Google search away. https://inspiredelearning.com/blog/sexual-harassment-in-the-workplace-statistics/ https://inspiredelearning.com/blog/sexual-harassment-in-the-...
- 1827163 3y ago
  Yes, the retaliation might be from other men seeing the complaint as frivolous. And in this hypersensitive society we live in now, that complaint may very well be frivolous.
  - marcinzm 3y ago
    I bring in data and you bring up random hypotheticals to dismiss it out of hand since you don't like what the data says. Which I think says everything someone needs to know about this debate and the participants.
    - 1827163 3y ago
      I don't trust the data, even if it comes from academia, as it's very likely to have a pro-feminist bias. I need to know the methodology used, and also other sources of data to cross check it against. The bias in the coverage of these issues is absolutely shocking, and has been occurring for a long time indeed. Yes, radical feminists are behind this, they have even taken over academia, and it's taboo to speak out against it, if you do, you will find yourself up against a mob. I wonder if there is an evolutionary basis for such sexual conformity in humans. Because I'm trying to find an explanation for what's going on. How so many lives are being destroyed over trivial sexual transgressions, things that are really trifles and cause no real harm other than discomfort or unpleasantness. Of course serious transgressions such as rape are not trivial at all. Or is it really down to our society instead?
    - blq10 3y ago
      These are not random hypotheticals. Which is why we cannot reasonably call your listicle that doesn't give proper citations or even hyperlinks "data". 55% of all EEOC complaints were about "retaliation", that's not 55% of victims, as the headline shows. That's 55% of all reports. Which means there are definitionally more reports of retaliation than reports of incidents! Additionally, you have stuff like this: https://www.the74million.org/article/ed-department-sex-discrimination-complaints-18000-civil-rights/ https://www.the74million.org/article/ed-department-sex-discr...
      - 1827163 3y ago
        Yes, it's insane, it's the rise of sexual authoritarianism or even fascism. We scare the whole population into fearing that there's predators everywhere, and punish people for minor transgressions or trifles, ruining their lives. Meanwhile these minor transgressions increase the figures and are used to justify even more draconian measures. A vicious circle.

Is there fear of retaliation when the reaction is almost universally media fawning for the bravery of speaking up, and importantly, has been for 20 ish years?

by blq10 3y ago

Is there fear of retaliation when the reaction is almost universally media fawning for the bravery of speaking up, and importantly, has been for 20 ish years?

marcinzm 3y ago

Yes. Look someone actually asked people and put together the surveys in a single place that is just a quick Google search away. https://inspiredelearning.com/blog/sexual-harassment-in-the-workplace-statistics/ https://inspiredelearning.com/blog/sexual-harassment-in-the-...

1827163 3y ago
Yes, the retaliation might be from other men seeing the complaint as frivolous. And in this hypersensitive society we live in now, that complaint may very well be frivolous.
- marcinzm 3y ago
  I bring in data and you bring up random hypotheticals to dismiss it out of hand since you don't like what the data says. Which I think says everything someone needs to know about this debate and the participants.
  - 1827163 3y ago
    I don't trust the data, even if it comes from academia, as it's very likely to have a pro-feminist bias. I need to know the methodology used, and also other sources of data to cross check it against. The bias in the coverage of these issues is absolutely shocking, and has been occurring for a long time indeed. Yes, radical feminists are behind this, they have even taken over academia, and it's taboo to speak out against it, if you do, you will find yourself up against a mob. I wonder if there is an evolutionary basis for such sexual conformity in humans. Because I'm trying to find an explanation for what's going on. How so many lives are being destroyed over trivial sexual transgressions, things that are really trifles and cause no real harm other than discomfort or unpleasantness. Of course serious transgressions such as rape are not trivial at all. Or is it really down to our society instead?
  - blq10 3y ago
    These are not random hypotheticals. Which is why we cannot reasonably call your listicle that doesn't give proper citations or even hyperlinks "data". 55% of all EEOC complaints were about "retaliation", that's not 55% of victims, as the headline shows. That's 55% of all reports. Which means there are definitionally more reports of retaliation than reports of incidents! Additionally, you have stuff like this: https://www.the74million.org/article/ed-department-sex-discrimination-complaints-18000-civil-rights/ https://www.the74million.org/article/ed-department-sex-discr...
    - 1827163 3y ago
      Yes, it's insane, it's the rise of sexual authoritarianism or even fascism. We scare the whole population into fearing that there's predators everywhere, and punish people for minor transgressions or trifles, ruining their lives. Meanwhile these minor transgressions increase the figures and are used to justify even more draconian measures. A vicious circle.