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Is it based on Midjourney? So you need an internet connection and you're sending potentially highly encumbered/lock and key assets to a remote server and third

by junon 3y ago

Is it based on Midjourney? So you need an internet connection and you're sending potentially highly encumbered/lock and key assets to a remote server and third party? Oh yeah, can't see how this is going to backfire at all...

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viscanti 3y ago
I'm not sure they needed to wait until there was some enterprise data solution before enabling it. It looks like a useful feature and if someone has assets that they're fine using it with, do they really need to wait until some enterprise solution is built to handle the other cases? Is the argument that the feature is so useful that people will send enterprise data/assets even after being told they shouldn't and that the feature shouldn't ship until those people are protected from themselves?
Keyframe 3y ago
reportedly it's not, they've trained it on their stock
mu53 3y ago
I never get this criticism. When the internet and computers first rolled out, everybody realized the dangers of security with devices. Paper and pen would always be safer since you could lock it up where no-one could access it. Eventually, the cost benefit shifted greatly towards being less safe because of how much faster people can be. Anybody using AI to generate images is going to be way faster than someone not. Any company selling generative AI is going to be miles ahead of open source alternatives. Anyone not embracing or figuring out how to bend the rules around assets is going to get smoked in a business.
- thinkingemote 3y ago
  Seems like you do very well understand or "get" the criticism, you just don't agree with it.
- jfengel 3y ago
  That's kinda it. People called out the security problems and little was done. The Internet is still a security disaster. It would be nice to at least try to get it right this time.
fragmede 3y ago
You're not familiar with Adobe Creative Cloud, are you.
- junon 3y ago
  I am, yes. I saw several comments mentioning Midjourney, which is neither an Adobe product nor part of the creative cloud sphere.
prox 3y ago
Stable Diffusion : controlnet extension is already uploading their own version of generative fill.
- echelon 3y ago
  Adobe has no moat on creative software anymore. As impressive as their demos are, I'm actually less bullish on their future than ever before. The open source community is doing more with GenAI and they're doing it better. If Gimp weren't in such bad shape, Photoshop would be over. This exact feature would already be ready to go and would be far superior to Adobe's version. Any startup with minimal effort and capital will be able to duplicate this product. They'll eat Adobe's thick margins away.
  - robotburrito 3y ago
    I don't think this is true. Imagine a piece of software you have been using 15 years. Sure it has its problems, and there may be ways to work around those problems, but you are familiar with those problems. Switching to something new may fix those problems, but bring an entirely new set of their own.
  - ethanbond 3y ago
    > Adobe has no moat… If Gimp weren’t in such bad shape… Only been saying this for 15 years or so. And yet, here we are.
    - prox 3y ago
      Look where Blender has gone in 15, it’s a real alternative to other programs in the same segment. GIMP is a failure in that sense of never working with or listening to the users, and never understanding the userbase and having the wrong kind of developers attitude. Even Godot is going with that playbook like Blender and doing what GIMP never did. It’s a shame imo.
      - whywhywhywhy 3y ago
Cthulhu_ 3y ago
> potentially highly encumbered/lock and key assets I'm not sure what this phrase means, can you explain? Given the demos in the thread, I'm seeing a lot of 'production line' graphics being done a lot faster and easier with this feature. I'm not seeing a problem, but I'll eat my words if this will backfire like you said. (I won't eat shoes or anything though, I'm not that confident!)
- junon 3y ago
  Meaning, I have a client that has a very, very secret project worth millions to my design company. One of my junior employees working on the project uses this feature. The client's assets get sent up to a remote server, which is either breached, MITM'd (proxied, etc.), or otherwise compromised. Now that project is considered leaked to the public, perhaps literally so. Junior loses job, company loses millions, potentially the client relationship, client loses perhaps even more. Everyone loses. All because it's not clear this feature sends your project files to the remote server.
bearmode 3y ago
>Is it based on Midjourney? No.
krisoft 3y ago
> and you're sending potentially highly encumbered/lock and key assets to a remote server and third party? As the joke says: Patient: Doctor! Doctor! When I push here it hurts. Doctor: Well, then don't do it! If you are working with potentially highly encumbered / lock and key assets then keep them on your computer. If you are worried that your employees might leak them, then block the connection with a firewall.
- junon 3y ago
  That's easier said than done, though. Adobe is free to change how the connection is made which means that sysadmins would have to set up elaborate configurations just to continually check how it's done, and especially in shops where the primary focus isn't Photoshop, but a mix of tooling, that just creates more hell on top of the existing amount of hell sysadmins have to deal with.

by junon 3y ago

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viscanti 3y ago

I'm not sure they needed to wait until there was some enterprise data solution before enabling it. It looks like a useful feature and if someone has assets that they're fine using it with, do they really need to wait until some enterprise solution is built to handle the other cases? Is the argument that the feature is so useful that people will send enterprise data/assets even after being told they shouldn't and that the feature shouldn't ship until those people are protected from themselves?

Keyframe 3y ago

reportedly it's not, they've trained it on their stock

mu53 3y ago

I never get this criticism. When the internet and computers first rolled out, everybody realized the dangers of security with devices. Paper and pen would always be safer since you could lock it up where no-one could access it. Eventually, the cost benefit shifted greatly towards being less safe because of how much faster people can be. Anybody using AI to generate images is going to be way faster than someone not. Any company selling generative AI is going to be miles ahead of open source alternatives. Anyone not embracing or figuring out how to bend the rules around assets is going to get smoked in a business.

thinkingemote 3y ago
Seems like you do very well understand or "get" the criticism, you just don't agree with it.
jfengel 3y ago
That's kinda it. People called out the security problems and little was done. The Internet is still a security disaster. It would be nice to at least try to get it right this time.

fragmede 3y ago

You're not familiar with Adobe Creative Cloud, are you.

junon 3y ago
I am, yes. I saw several comments mentioning Midjourney, which is neither an Adobe product nor part of the creative cloud sphere.

prox 3y ago

Stable Diffusion : controlnet extension is already uploading their own version of generative fill.

echelon 3y ago
Adobe has no moat on creative software anymore. As impressive as their demos are, I'm actually less bullish on their future than ever before. The open source community is doing more with GenAI and they're doing it better. If Gimp weren't in such bad shape, Photoshop would be over. This exact feature would already be ready to go and would be far superior to Adobe's version. Any startup with minimal effort and capital will be able to duplicate this product. They'll eat Adobe's thick margins away.
- robotburrito 3y ago
  I don't think this is true. Imagine a piece of software you have been using 15 years. Sure it has its problems, and there may be ways to work around those problems, but you are familiar with those problems. Switching to something new may fix those problems, but bring an entirely new set of their own.
- ethanbond 3y ago
  > Adobe has no moat… If Gimp weren’t in such bad shape… Only been saying this for 15 years or so. And yet, here we are.
  - prox 3y ago
    Look where Blender has gone in 15, it’s a real alternative to other programs in the same segment. GIMP is a failure in that sense of never working with or listening to the users, and never understanding the userbase and having the wrong kind of developers attitude. Even Godot is going with that playbook like Blender and doing what GIMP never did. It’s a shame imo.
    - whywhywhywhy 3y ago

Cthulhu_ 3y ago

> potentially highly encumbered/lock and key assets I'm not sure what this phrase means, can you explain? Given the demos in the thread, I'm seeing a lot of 'production line' graphics being done a lot faster and easier with this feature. I'm not seeing a problem, but I'll eat my words if this will backfire like you said. (I won't eat shoes or anything though, I'm not that confident!)

junon 3y ago
Meaning, I have a client that has a very, very secret project worth millions to my design company. One of my junior employees working on the project uses this feature. The client's assets get sent up to a remote server, which is either breached, MITM'd (proxied, etc.), or otherwise compromised. Now that project is considered leaked to the public, perhaps literally so. Junior loses job, company loses millions, potentially the client relationship, client loses perhaps even more. Everyone loses. All because it's not clear this feature sends your project files to the remote server.

bearmode 3y ago

>Is it based on Midjourney? No.

krisoft 3y ago

> and you're sending potentially highly encumbered/lock and key assets to a remote server and third party? As the joke says: Patient: Doctor! Doctor! When I push here it hurts. Doctor: Well, then don't do it! If you are working with potentially highly encumbered / lock and key assets then keep them on your computer. If you are worried that your employees might leak them, then block the connection with a firewall.

junon 3y ago
That's easier said than done, though. Adobe is free to change how the connection is made which means that sysadmins would have to set up elaborate configurations just to continually check how it's done, and especially in shops where the primary focus isn't Photoshop, but a mix of tooling, that just creates more hell on top of the existing amount of hell sysadmins have to deal with.