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Genuinely curious, how do you (and everyone on HN) suggest enforcing that? On the one hand, yes, I'm afraid for my freedom and that of my friends, but on the o

Genuinely curious, how do you (and everyone on HN) suggest enforcing that? On the one hand, yes, I'm afraid for my freedom and that of my friends, but on the other hand, drug cartels are really, really bad.

rightbyte 3y ago
If something leads to a mental reasoning of "OK, but then again not really", just don't do it?
- underdeserver 3y ago
  "Don't do it" is easy to say, but you are the government / law enforcement and drug cartels are murdering your citizens, so maybe that's just not good enough?
  - jruohonen 3y ago
    It is indeed a very thorny issue. I am not sure any longer what they (governments) are trying, but they've at least tried company bans, export controls, and specific laws, but none of them really work as some countries will still abuse their powers beyond what can be considered legal/legitimate (such as the drug cartel case here).
  - hanselot 3y ago
    True. Not enough is being done about drug cartels. So far the war on drugs has been staggeringly effective, with such classics as https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-that-have-decriminalized-drugs.html https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-that-have-decr... Better just add backdoors to the ambient atmosphere in case drug cartels use air. The thing is, as long as you give the government the door to justify doing shit like this, they will find a justification that will upset few enough people for them to push it through, aka muh children etc. The only way to win is to literally pursue open source hardware and software exclusively. >...maybe that's just not good enough? Perhaps addressing the problem instead of the symptoms could be a way to go? Decriminalizing responsible recreational drug use would destroy the cartels, as the general public would never trust buying something that could be laced with poison. Instead of thinly veiled veneer of bullshit smeared over the giant turd that is spying on everyone why not explore these options? Let me ask the question differently. How many children are being illegally spied on by the government to help "catch" drug cartels? If I were an ASI though, I would certainly push as hard as possible to get eyes on every organic, by whatever means possible. Whether it be position tracking via triangulating ambient radiation http://rfpose.csail.mit.edu/ http://rfpose.csail.mit.edu/ or something else.
ReptileMan 3y ago
Fourth amendment...
- defrost 3y ago
  The Fourth Amendment, however, is not a guarantee against all searches and seizures, but only those that are deemed unreasonable under the law. As at least one other has pointed out the issue here is not really the tool(s) used to break | search | intercept | etc but the strength of oversight of the use of those tools. It follows the general problem of police acting in a manner as though outside the law via friendly judges, rubberstamped warrents, and general immunity to prosecution for BadThings.

rightbyte 3y ago

If something leads to a mental reasoning of "OK, but then again not really", just don't do it?

underdeserver 3y ago
"Don't do it" is easy to say, but you are the government / law enforcement and drug cartels are murdering your citizens, so maybe that's just not good enough?
- jruohonen 3y ago
  It is indeed a very thorny issue. I am not sure any longer what they (governments) are trying, but they've at least tried company bans, export controls, and specific laws, but none of them really work as some countries will still abuse their powers beyond what can be considered legal/legitimate (such as the drug cartel case here).
- hanselot 3y ago
  True. Not enough is being done about drug cartels. So far the war on drugs has been staggeringly effective, with such classics as https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-that-have-decriminalized-drugs.html https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-that-have-decr... Better just add backdoors to the ambient atmosphere in case drug cartels use air. The thing is, as long as you give the government the door to justify doing shit like this, they will find a justification that will upset few enough people for them to push it through, aka muh children etc. The only way to win is to literally pursue open source hardware and software exclusively. >...maybe that's just not good enough? Perhaps addressing the problem instead of the symptoms could be a way to go? Decriminalizing responsible recreational drug use would destroy the cartels, as the general public would never trust buying something that could be laced with poison. Instead of thinly veiled veneer of bullshit smeared over the giant turd that is spying on everyone why not explore these options? Let me ask the question differently. How many children are being illegally spied on by the government to help "catch" drug cartels? If I were an ASI though, I would certainly push as hard as possible to get eyes on every organic, by whatever means possible. Whether it be position tracking via triangulating ambient radiation http://rfpose.csail.mit.edu/ http://rfpose.csail.mit.edu/ or something else.

ReptileMan 3y ago

Fourth amendment...

defrost 3y ago
The Fourth Amendment, however, is not a guarantee against all searches and seizures, but only those that are deemed unreasonable under the law. As at least one other has pointed out the issue here is not really the tool(s) used to break | search | intercept | etc but the strength of oversight of the use of those tools. It follows the general problem of police acting in a manner as though outside the law via friendly judges, rubberstamped warrents, and general immunity to prosecution for BadThings.