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> What is the overwhelming movement that has silenced them and cowed all these free people? covid policies. the majority has always been sheep unable to see th

> What is the overwhelming movement that has silenced them and cowed all these free people? covid policies. the majority has always been sheep unable to see the larger picture or even care about political freedom. but covid policies successfully framed civil subservience as a moral virtue. if you question the policies you are a criminal at best or simply a crazy idiot.

surgical_fire 3y ago
> if you question the policies Yes, let's not pretend the problem was people "questioning" policies. The problem was people actively disrespecting them. This is the problem of freedom. Your freedom to be an imbecile takes away my freedom of living in an imbecile-free society.
- csdvrx 3y ago
  > Your freedom to be an imbecile takes away my freedom of living in an imbecile-free society. Unfortunately for you, this "freedom of living in an imbecile-free society" does not grant you or the government to decide which opinions (as forms of speech) are "imbecile", and to limit their spread through censorship.
  - surgical_fire 3y ago
    Why are you trying to remove my freedom to decide who is an imbecile? Why are you censoring me?
    - csdvrx 3y ago
      This is very correct and I should have phrased things differently: you can call any idea or opinion "stupid", and you can also scream whatever you want, but you can't do anything to limit their spread through censorship (and there may be more people, also with louder voices than you :)
      - surgical_fire 3y ago
        Precisely. Perhaps now you understand my original point.
        csdvrx 3y ago
        Not fully, as I like my american freedom a whole lot more than comfort: I'll take a free but imbecile-full society with free speech + the freedom to bear arm over the european version of """free speech""" + restriction of gun ownership to the police and the military. Curiously enough, that seem to goes hand-in-hand with the police throwing hand grenades and using RPG against protesters - this may be A-ok in Europe, but that wouldn't fly here.
        surgical_fire 3y ago
        Woosh

surgical_fire 3y ago

> if you question the policies Yes, let's not pretend the problem was people "questioning" policies. The problem was people actively disrespecting them. This is the problem of freedom. Your freedom to be an imbecile takes away my freedom of living in an imbecile-free society.

csdvrx 3y ago
> Your freedom to be an imbecile takes away my freedom of living in an imbecile-free society. Unfortunately for you, this "freedom of living in an imbecile-free society" does not grant you or the government to decide which opinions (as forms of speech) are "imbecile", and to limit their spread through censorship.
- surgical_fire 3y ago
  Why are you trying to remove my freedom to decide who is an imbecile? Why are you censoring me?
  - csdvrx 3y ago
    This is very correct and I should have phrased things differently: you can call any idea or opinion "stupid", and you can also scream whatever you want, but you can't do anything to limit their spread through censorship (and there may be more people, also with louder voices than you :)
    - surgical_fire 3y ago
      Precisely. Perhaps now you understand my original point.
      - csdvrx 3y ago
        Not fully, as I like my american freedom a whole lot more than comfort: I'll take a free but imbecile-full society with free speech + the freedom to bear arm over the european version of """free speech""" + restriction of gun ownership to the police and the military. Curiously enough, that seem to goes hand-in-hand with the police throwing hand grenades and using RPG against protesters - this may be A-ok in Europe, but that wouldn't fly here.
        surgical_fire 3y ago
        Woosh