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> I think much of the world yearns for a leader who will stand up for them. That has not been my impression. Rather, the opposite. All over the western world,

> I think much of the world yearns for a leader who will stand up for them. That has not been my impression. Rather, the opposite. All over the western world, more and more authoritarian parties get more and more votes.

wolverine876 3y ago
I wrote the GP and I agree completely as far as that goes. My point is, that's because of the lack of leaders who stands up for the values I described in the GP. The leaders on the 'left', really centrists, have adopted a 'middle way' (true to their centrist ideology), but between authoritarianism (really fascism, IMHO) and freedom. They are bipartisan, they'll proudly tell you! They aren't standing up for those values, they've mostly abandoned them in order to not alienate the fascists. The fascist movement (lacking a better term) has displayed endless aggression, and others just let themselves be intimidated and back down. What leader talks consistently about freedom, all people are created equal, democracy, 'liberte, egalite, fraternite', the American Dream, land of the free, etc.? What leader aggressively stands up for them and fights for them?
- Semaphor 3y ago
  Ah, though that's a very US perspective. We have a few more options over here, though the left is too busy with infighting to do politics …
soco 3y ago
Might be because the "traditional" parties got to be led more and more by oligarchs and the regular citizen feels more and more disconnected from what is happening up there. On the other hand the authoritarians play at the same time big on the populism so they get wins after wins being the only ones promising their voters a reconnection to leadership. You could ask, what's so difficult for the old parties to do the same and I can only shrug and assume they don't care that much because the oligarchs are the ones paying.

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> I think much of the world yearns for a leader who will stand up for them. That has not been my impression. Rather, the opposite. All over the western world,

by Semaphor 3y ago

wolverine876 3y ago
I wrote the GP and I agree completely as far as that goes. My point is, that's because of the lack of leaders who stands up for the values I described in the GP. The leaders on the 'left', really centrists, have adopted a 'middle way' (true to their centrist ideology), but between authoritarianism (really fascism, IMHO) and freedom. They are bipartisan, they'll proudly tell you! They aren't standing up for those values, they've mostly abandoned them in order to not alienate the fascists. The fascist movement (lacking a better term) has displayed endless aggression, and others just let themselves be intimidated and back down. What leader talks consistently about freedom, all people are created equal, democracy, 'liberte, egalite, fraternite', the American Dream, land of the free, etc.? What leader aggressively stands up for them and fights for them?
- Semaphor 3y ago
  Ah, though that's a very US perspective. We have a few more options over here, though the left is too busy with infighting to do politics …
soco 3y ago
Might be because the "traditional" parties got to be led more and more by oligarchs and the regular citizen feels more and more disconnected from what is happening up there. On the other hand the authoritarians play at the same time big on the populism so they get wins after wins being the only ones promising their voters a reconnection to leadership. You could ask, what's so difficult for the old parties to do the same and I can only shrug and assume they don't care that much because the oligarchs are the ones paying.