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Jira sucks in the same way that email sucks - the platform is fine, the stuff people put in it sucks. you probably don't hate jira, you hate your boss, or thei

Jira sucks in the same way that email sucks - the platform is fine, the stuff people put in it sucks. you probably don't hate jira, you hate your boss, or their boss, or your colleagues, or your business's development practices or prioritization. or your developer's productivity levels, if you're looking at it from the management side. but it's easier (and probably healthier) for jira to soak up that hatred. jira's good at that.

pigeons 3y ago
even a default jira is unusable just from a slowness perspective.
- notatoad 3y ago
  i'm not really sure what your metric is here, or if you're talking about their on-prem version. but the jira hosted by atlassian seems like it runs at about the same speed as most websites. i'm not going to say it's blazing fast, but it's acceptable.
  - pigeons 3y ago
    I mean I can't even use the one they host because I wait for things to load and spin.
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- pas 3y ago
  slowness, I can accept, but the extremely bad UX, byzantine inconsistency, some parts are SPA some are long forgotten wizards with useless and completely idiotic next-next-finish steps, some functions are so close to useful, but ultimately fall short because even though Jira can do anything it can't simply graph a fucking JQL result set over time, it simply doesn't have anything useful to report by default. Epics and subtasks and story points seems useful, sure, we picked it because it has the best scrum support, but there's no aggregation of points from subtasks to tasks. Oh, yes you can DIY with ducktape-and-hate using the new automation functionality, but it'll have the same bad UX of course, because it's not integrated, because it's Jira. It's hell. It's bad. It's ridiculous. It's unfathomably tragicomic how the alternative offerings are also UX nightmares. PM tools are cursed, it seems.

pigeons 3y ago

even a default jira is unusable just from a slowness perspective.

notatoad 3y ago
i'm not really sure what your metric is here, or if you're talking about their on-prem version. but the jira hosted by atlassian seems like it runs at about the same speed as most websites. i'm not going to say it's blazing fast, but it's acceptable.
- pigeons 3y ago
  I mean I can't even use the one they host because I wait for things to load and spin.
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pas 3y ago
slowness, I can accept, but the extremely bad UX, byzantine inconsistency, some parts are SPA some are long forgotten wizards with useless and completely idiotic next-next-finish steps, some functions are so close to useful, but ultimately fall short because even though Jira can do anything it can't simply graph a fucking JQL result set over time, it simply doesn't have anything useful to report by default. Epics and subtasks and story points seems useful, sure, we picked it because it has the best scrum support, but there's no aggregation of points from subtasks to tasks. Oh, yes you can DIY with ducktape-and-hate using the new automation functionality, but it'll have the same bad UX of course, because it's not integrated, because it's Jira. It's hell. It's bad. It's ridiculous. It's unfathomably tragicomic how the alternative offerings are also UX nightmares. PM tools are cursed, it seems.