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Yes, the same constitution that defines corporations as people, and allows their agents to enjoy all of the goodies. But when a corporation expresses false adv

Yes, the same constitution that defines corporations as people, and allows their agents to enjoy all of the goodies. But when a corporation expresses false advertisements, they are fined -- regardless of their "freedom of speech." A private citizen should be able to lobby. Corporations should not.

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
The problem isn't that corporations are people. If corporations exist, it's difficult to have them not be "people" for the purposes of laws. The problem is that they exist at all. Nothing in the Constitution says that the government (of Delaware, no less) should have the legitimate power to wave a magic wand and create fictitious legal entities that are effectively immortal but are born without a moral compass. If it did have that legitimate power, then it's still bad that it can happen for the payment of a $250 fee and filing of a stack of legal paperwork. Everything that the whiny lefties gripe about with capitalism is actually the fault of corporations, not capitalism. Sounds like you're ok with them existing though, you just think that's possible with them a "little less powerful" or something.
- rgbgraph 3y ago
  Baby steps. I'm not going to recommend the complete nullification of corporations in the present. Perhaps as a long-term goal to aim towards -- but with the right planning and support. No sense in being a revolutionary. Perhaps start off with removing the corporate veil. Officers of corporations (or any incorporated entity) are now personally liable for what goes on. This could pave the way for trimming down extra-national entities like multinational corps (the risk is immense for there to be bodies buried in various dark corners of huge corporations -- only the insane would take on these positions). If you want to know if I'm a card-carrying communist or not, feel free to read this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36132733 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36132733 It's couched in mild language, because of the venue we're in.
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
    > Baby steps. I'm not going to recommend the complete nullification of corporations in the present. Perhaps as a long-term goal to aim towards -- but with the right planning and support. No sense in being a revolutionary. Why would you ever work towards it as a long term goal? Once your faction had even a little political power, you'd have more control over corporations. And they're quite powerful in their way. They'd become too appealing at that point. Much more fun to tame the godzilla monster and sic it on your enemies.

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago

The problem isn't that corporations are people. If corporations exist, it's difficult to have them not be "people" for the purposes of laws. The problem is that they exist at all. Nothing in the Constitution says that the government (of Delaware, no less) should have the legitimate power to wave a magic wand and create fictitious legal entities that are effectively immortal but are born without a moral compass. If it did have that legitimate power, then it's still bad that it can happen for the payment of a $250 fee and filing of a stack of legal paperwork. Everything that the whiny lefties gripe about with capitalism is actually the fault of corporations, not capitalism. Sounds like you're ok with them existing though, you just think that's possible with them a "little less powerful" or something.

rgbgraph 3y ago
Baby steps. I'm not going to recommend the complete nullification of corporations in the present. Perhaps as a long-term goal to aim towards -- but with the right planning and support. No sense in being a revolutionary. Perhaps start off with removing the corporate veil. Officers of corporations (or any incorporated entity) are now personally liable for what goes on. This could pave the way for trimming down extra-national entities like multinational corps (the risk is immense for there to be bodies buried in various dark corners of huge corporations -- only the insane would take on these positions). If you want to know if I'm a card-carrying communist or not, feel free to read this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36132733 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36132733 It's couched in mild language, because of the venue we're in.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
  > Baby steps. I'm not going to recommend the complete nullification of corporations in the present. Perhaps as a long-term goal to aim towards -- but with the right planning and support. No sense in being a revolutionary. Why would you ever work towards it as a long term goal? Once your faction had even a little political power, you'd have more control over corporations. And they're quite powerful in their way. They'd become too appealing at that point. Much more fun to tame the godzilla monster and sic it on your enemies.