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Also I never said anything about sovereign citizens. I think many of these people are constitutionalists and libertarians.

SllX 3y ago
“Am I being detained?” is a bit of a meme/dog whistle associated with Sovereign Citizens so I was going to ask you about if “Freedom Auditors” is just another term for them up above until I saw this follow up comment; but Googling it just turned up First Amendment auditors which does not appear to be the same thing. Many of them are libertarians and think they’re Constitutionalists. Please clarify if I’ve got the wrong read on what you mean though.
- woah 3y ago
  It’s also a very basic question to ask. Once you have been arrested, there is a procedure to be followed and you will probably choose to get a lawyer. At the same time, they can’t detain you for longer than is reasonable without officially arresting you. So some may try to exploit the ambiguity of a situation to make you think that you are not free to leave, but without explicitly detaining you. Asking this question forces them to start engaging in the proper procedure for detention or arrest, or admit that you are free to go.
  - SllX 3y ago
    That is reasonable and solid life advice, but seeing it in a sentence with a phrase I don’t know like “freedom auditors” still leaves me confused as to the meaning of the latter, and that’s where my mind went first until I saw the parent’s follow up. Like I said, the best I’ve found is some information on a movement of “First Amendment auditors” but a literal reading of what they’re about has them testing First Amendment jurisprudence which isn’t exactly stress-testing your Fourth Amendment rights in an reentry line at the border, hence the request for clarification.
- yardie 3y ago
  I'm neither a Sovereign Citizen or Constitutionalist. I've used the "Am I being detained?" question whenever the LEO starts to get too informal with me with leading questions.
Arrath 3y ago
Fair, that was a knee-jerk reaction on my own part and I'll own that; that has just been my exposure and experience to questions in that vein so far in my life. In any case, the 'Freedom Auditor' concept mentioned in your initial comment sounds, to me, like the express line to "Please wait over here while I get my supervisor" from your CBP agent.

SllX 3y ago

“Am I being detained?” is a bit of a meme/dog whistle associated with Sovereign Citizens so I was going to ask you about if “Freedom Auditors” is just another term for them up above until I saw this follow up comment; but Googling it just turned up First Amendment auditors which does not appear to be the same thing. Many of them are libertarians and think they’re Constitutionalists. Please clarify if I’ve got the wrong read on what you mean though.

woah 3y ago
It’s also a very basic question to ask. Once you have been arrested, there is a procedure to be followed and you will probably choose to get a lawyer. At the same time, they can’t detain you for longer than is reasonable without officially arresting you. So some may try to exploit the ambiguity of a situation to make you think that you are not free to leave, but without explicitly detaining you. Asking this question forces them to start engaging in the proper procedure for detention or arrest, or admit that you are free to go.
- SllX 3y ago
  That is reasonable and solid life advice, but seeing it in a sentence with a phrase I don’t know like “freedom auditors” still leaves me confused as to the meaning of the latter, and that’s where my mind went first until I saw the parent’s follow up. Like I said, the best I’ve found is some information on a movement of “First Amendment auditors” but a literal reading of what they’re about has them testing First Amendment jurisprudence which isn’t exactly stress-testing your Fourth Amendment rights in an reentry line at the border, hence the request for clarification.
yardie 3y ago
I'm neither a Sovereign Citizen or Constitutionalist. I've used the "Am I being detained?" question whenever the LEO starts to get too informal with me with leading questions.

Arrath 3y ago

Fair, that was a knee-jerk reaction on my own part and I'll own that; that has just been my exposure and experience to questions in that vein so far in my life. In any case, the 'Freedom Auditor' concept mentioned in your initial comment sounds, to me, like the express line to "Please wait over here while I get my supervisor" from your CBP agent.