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I'm curious what you're trying to get at here, and your intent for posting this. Can you elaborate?

by drewbeck 3y ago

codeflo 3y ago
Advertising for their crypto scam. "I'm one of the good ones" said every crypto scammer ever.
- EGreg 3y ago
  Advertising to whom? Haters? LMAO Molly White writes a very one sided blog which any anti-Web3 person can point to. It is like, say, Electronic Intifada or MondoWeiss that anti-zionists can point to. The point was to relate my experience with trying to reach out and welcome Molly on our show and discuss her thesis vs projects in the web3 space. Believe it or not, most scammers don’t work for 5 years and go $200K into personal debt after the initial money ran out to build an open source platform. Which we released for free on the blockchain and GitHub. Most scammers take your money to enrich themselves and run.
  - codeflo 3y ago
    > like, say, Electronic Intifada or MondoWeiss that anti-zionists can point to Spare me your racist bullshit please. It's just a bit funny that this is the same thread where you desperately try to portray yourself as the reasonable person who will talk to all sides.
    - EGreg 3y ago
      Are you just inventing new passive-aggressive ad-hominems as you go? I take it back, they're just aggressive. And btw, I have engaged with both zionists and anti-zionists in good faith.
EGreg 3y ago
Sure, of course. I wanted to show that Molly White doesn’t seem to be open to a discussion about the broader issues, and her blog is certainly very one-sided, which I actually appreciate (I love one sided stuff, because it tends to go out of its way to find the best arguments for its side, as long as you balance it with the other side). We are in a unique position to share our experience with her. We spent years quietly building open technology to help people around the world stop relying on centralized entities which clearly is a problem. We have been seeking out and engaging well-known people in substantive discussions around issues that really matter, — sociopolitical, economic, regulatory — etc. There are tons of people around the world who engage with us. They would like to see things solved. Both on the left and the right. Here are just a few: David Harvey Noam Chomsky Patri Friedman Robert Murphy Sarah Hanks Richard Heart The original inventors of Freenet Kademlia DHT Ripple etc. And then there is the anti-Web3 crowd who downvotes anything with the slightest positivity toward Web3 being useful or needed. This crowd loves someone like Molly White to highlight everything wrong. I was inviting Molly White to come and have a real conversation about real issues, that I highlighted. She refused. I see the same in, say, rabid democrats vs republicans, left vs right, with their and purity tests and shouting down of opposing views. I respect when the people who speak for them are willing to come and engage in a real discussion, and explore ideas. A few people, like Molly, would rather not. For years, we have been rather welcoming and eager to find out the pitfalls and responsible solutions. I wish AI shops were like that. But on HN, there are a ton of activists who want to bury anything that is in favor of Web3 even slightly. They do it silently and avoid discussion. And if AI is criticized, they downvote that too. The activists in the HN ”overton window” these days seem to think that there are no people that n tech working on real Web3 and Web5 projects outside their bubble. They will be proven wrong in 2024 but these trends on HN seems to drown out real substance.
- drewbeck 3y ago
  The issue I have here is that someone turning down a request to be on your podcast does not, actually, mean that "she refuses to engage on these topics"; it may seem like a major litmus test for you, but in fact people are busy and we have to make choices about how to spend our time all the time. I'm sure that if she said yes to every crypto-enthusiast who messaged her "debate me!" she'd have no time for her own projects and would be spending all her life on crypto-enthusiast podcasts with people who are just trying to get her to see the light. Your implication that Molly is uninterested in "real conversations about real issues" because she turned down your podcast is, ultimately, a projection that confirms your priors.
  - EGreg 3y ago
    Have you seen her on any discussion ever, engaging with the issues or opposing views? Has she come on someone else's show or something? You're being very generous in your interpretations, not even Molly offered such explanations, she just went silent. The typical interpretation is that there is a reason she'd rather not get into further. And I can guess what that reason is. Her "crowd" wouldn't like it if she appeared there. Many in Richard Heart's "Hexican" crowd were upset that he came on our show, especially because I went right into the issues with him. Take it for what it is: a biased one-sided blog. As I said, I find those to be more valuable than middle-of-the-road ones, because they do more hard-hitting arguments and research. But you have to balance it out by reading other blogs, such as at least CoinDesk or CoinTelegraph or watching CoinBureau. And many people on HN don't. They're happy to be in a bubble. PS: All those other people I mentioned are likely far more busy than Molly. Noam Chomsky is for sure, I know that. And he's been on my show multiple times: https://www.reddit.com/r/chomsky/comments/mqfbzk/noam_chomsky_discussion_about_capitalism_and_news/ https://www.reddit.com/r/chomsky/comments/mqfbzk/noam_chomsk... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv5mI6ClPGc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv5mI6ClPGc http://davidharvey.org/2023/02/noam-chomsky-and-david-harvey-discuss-capitalism-and-war/ http://davidharvey.org/2023/02/noam-chomsky-and-david-harvey... In fact, if ANYONE on HN would like to come on our show and discuss why Web3 is not needed, full of scams and is stupid, email me (greg) at intercoin.org. I will make an episode with you and put it up on our YouTube channel.

I'm curious what you're trying to get at here, and your intent for posting this. Can you elaborate?

codeflo 3y ago

Advertising for their crypto scam. "I'm one of the good ones" said every crypto scammer ever.

EGreg 3y ago
Advertising to whom? Haters? LMAO Molly White writes a very one sided blog which any anti-Web3 person can point to. It is like, say, Electronic Intifada or MondoWeiss that anti-zionists can point to. The point was to relate my experience with trying to reach out and welcome Molly on our show and discuss her thesis vs projects in the web3 space. Believe it or not, most scammers don’t work for 5 years and go $200K into personal debt after the initial money ran out to build an open source platform. Which we released for free on the blockchain and GitHub. Most scammers take your money to enrich themselves and run.
- codeflo 3y ago
  > like, say, Electronic Intifada or MondoWeiss that anti-zionists can point to Spare me your racist bullshit please. It's just a bit funny that this is the same thread where you desperately try to portray yourself as the reasonable person who will talk to all sides.
  - EGreg 3y ago
    Are you just inventing new passive-aggressive ad-hominems as you go? I take it back, they're just aggressive. And btw, I have engaged with both zionists and anti-zionists in good faith.

EGreg 3y ago

Sure, of course. I wanted to show that Molly White doesn’t seem to be open to a discussion about the broader issues, and her blog is certainly very one-sided, which I actually appreciate (I love one sided stuff, because it tends to go out of its way to find the best arguments for its side, as long as you balance it with the other side). We are in a unique position to share our experience with her. We spent years quietly building open technology to help people around the world stop relying on centralized entities which clearly is a problem. We have been seeking out and engaging well-known people in substantive discussions around issues that really matter, — sociopolitical, economic, regulatory — etc. There are tons of people around the world who engage with us. They would like to see things solved. Both on the left and the right. Here are just a few: David Harvey Noam Chomsky Patri Friedman Robert Murphy Sarah Hanks Richard Heart The original inventors of Freenet Kademlia DHT Ripple etc. And then there is the anti-Web3 crowd who downvotes anything with the slightest positivity toward Web3 being useful or needed. This crowd loves someone like Molly White to highlight everything wrong. I was inviting Molly White to come and have a real conversation about real issues, that I highlighted. She refused. I see the same in, say, rabid democrats vs republicans, left vs right, with their and purity tests and shouting down of opposing views. I respect when the people who speak for them are willing to come and engage in a real discussion, and explore ideas. A few people, like Molly, would rather not. For years, we have been rather welcoming and eager to find out the pitfalls and responsible solutions. I wish AI shops were like that. But on HN, there are a ton of activists who want to bury anything that is in favor of Web3 even slightly. They do it silently and avoid discussion. And if AI is criticized, they downvote that too. The activists in the HN ”overton window” these days seem to think that there are no people that n tech working on real Web3 and Web5 projects outside their bubble. They will be proven wrong in 2024 but these trends on HN seems to drown out real substance.

drewbeck 3y ago
The issue I have here is that someone turning down a request to be on your podcast does not, actually, mean that "she refuses to engage on these topics"; it may seem like a major litmus test for you, but in fact people are busy and we have to make choices about how to spend our time all the time. I'm sure that if she said yes to every crypto-enthusiast who messaged her "debate me!" she'd have no time for her own projects and would be spending all her life on crypto-enthusiast podcasts with people who are just trying to get her to see the light. Your implication that Molly is uninterested in "real conversations about real issues" because she turned down your podcast is, ultimately, a projection that confirms your priors.
- EGreg 3y ago
  Have you seen her on any discussion ever, engaging with the issues or opposing views? Has she come on someone else's show or something? You're being very generous in your interpretations, not even Molly offered such explanations, she just went silent. The typical interpretation is that there is a reason she'd rather not get into further. And I can guess what that reason is. Her "crowd" wouldn't like it if she appeared there. Many in Richard Heart's "Hexican" crowd were upset that he came on our show, especially because I went right into the issues with him. Take it for what it is: a biased one-sided blog. As I said, I find those to be more valuable than middle-of-the-road ones, because they do more hard-hitting arguments and research. But you have to balance it out by reading other blogs, such as at least CoinDesk or CoinTelegraph or watching CoinBureau. And many people on HN don't. They're happy to be in a bubble. PS: All those other people I mentioned are likely far more busy than Molly. Noam Chomsky is for sure, I know that. And he's been on my show multiple times: https://www.reddit.com/r/chomsky/comments/mqfbzk/noam_chomsky_discussion_about_capitalism_and_news/ https://www.reddit.com/r/chomsky/comments/mqfbzk/noam_chomsk... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv5mI6ClPGc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv5mI6ClPGc http://davidharvey.org/2023/02/noam-chomsky-and-david-harvey-discuss-capitalism-and-war/ http://davidharvey.org/2023/02/noam-chomsky-and-david-harvey... In fact, if ANYONE on HN would like to come on our show and discuss why Web3 is not needed, full of scams and is stupid, email me (greg) at intercoin.org. I will make an episode with you and put it up on our YouTube channel.