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General purpose computers are wonderful because they can run so many diverse applications. If you get rid of “untrusted code”, people will still make thousands

General purpose computers are wonderful because they can run so many diverse applications. If you get rid of “untrusted code”, people will still make thousands of apps be “trusted” on their machines. There is no more-secure past we can return to.

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pjmlp 3y ago
That past seems to be left for the Linux desktop, given that Microsoft already signaled at Blue Hat IL 2023 that development certificates will be coming into Windows, maybe by Windows 12 time frame, similar to notarized apps on macOS, or the whole mobile ecosystem.
- FpUser 3y ago
  Are those somehow different from code signing certificates I use already for ages for my Windows products?
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    Yes. https://youtu.be/8T6ClX-y2AE?t=1594 https://youtu.be/8T6ClX-y2AE?t=1594
    - FpUser 3y ago
      So they do not want to ban apps but rather ban the developers. This opens the ocean of abuse of small developers. Thank you very fucking much MS. Hopefully it will fail.
- bitwize 3y ago
  What Linux desktop? The only way Linux will be available on readily available personal computers is via WSL, aka Other OS for PCs... and just as likely to be taken away once it threatens Microsoft's security posture/bottom line. General purpose computing is dead. The only way to reasonably assure lack of self-foot-shooting by end users is a mandatory signed code path from power on right down to application level software. I'd say Raspberry Pi is an alternative, but the Raspberry Pi Foundation is committing an epic, Commodore-style self-own right now and the future of that platform is in jeopardy. Orange Pi and the like are nonstarters.
  - snovv_crash 3y ago
    So who is going to write the software that powers everything? The moment you give users even scripting power, new unsigned software will emerge.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    The point about Linux Desktop was that is the only place left for those that won't dance to the music of Apple, Microsoft and Google's operating systems. How much it will grow beyond 1%? Not much, if at all.
- zamadatix 3y ago
  I see their smart app control plan 100% in the corporate space. For the home user space I wonder how many will just "opt-out to desktop mode" like they've been doing with every other option until this point.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    There won't be a desktop mode any more, that is the point.

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pjmlp 3y ago

That past seems to be left for the Linux desktop, given that Microsoft already signaled at Blue Hat IL 2023 that development certificates will be coming into Windows, maybe by Windows 12 time frame, similar to notarized apps on macOS, or the whole mobile ecosystem.

FpUser 3y ago
Are those somehow different from code signing certificates I use already for ages for my Windows products?
- pjmlp 3y ago
  Yes. https://youtu.be/8T6ClX-y2AE?t=1594 https://youtu.be/8T6ClX-y2AE?t=1594
  - FpUser 3y ago
    So they do not want to ban apps but rather ban the developers. This opens the ocean of abuse of small developers. Thank you very fucking much MS. Hopefully it will fail.
bitwize 3y ago
What Linux desktop? The only way Linux will be available on readily available personal computers is via WSL, aka Other OS for PCs... and just as likely to be taken away once it threatens Microsoft's security posture/bottom line. General purpose computing is dead. The only way to reasonably assure lack of self-foot-shooting by end users is a mandatory signed code path from power on right down to application level software. I'd say Raspberry Pi is an alternative, but the Raspberry Pi Foundation is committing an epic, Commodore-style self-own right now and the future of that platform is in jeopardy. Orange Pi and the like are nonstarters.
- snovv_crash 3y ago
  So who is going to write the software that powers everything? The moment you give users even scripting power, new unsigned software will emerge.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  The point about Linux Desktop was that is the only place left for those that won't dance to the music of Apple, Microsoft and Google's operating systems. How much it will grow beyond 1%? Not much, if at all.
zamadatix 3y ago
I see their smart app control plan 100% in the corporate space. For the home user space I wonder how many will just "opt-out to desktop mode" like they've been doing with every other option until this point.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  There won't be a desktop mode any more, that is the point.